Steynian 322


~ SOME THINGS and people just go right ahead and make fun of themselves. So the omnipotentiaries of the University Of Calgary apparently hold the position that “The Canadian Charter Of Rights and Freedoms (the Charter) does not apply to universities.” UofC alum Ezra Levant puts it simply & best: “The University of Calgary is a disgrace”.. and comments ensued. SoCon weighs in here.


While no doubt the above is clueless legalese for “We Don’t Take Kindly To Any Of You Pro-Life Bigots ‘Round Here”, taken logically and morally and legally, it is to descend into utter absurdity.

Scary Pro-Life Bigots

For their umpty-thousands of tuition, UCalg students apparently lose such expendables as.. lessee.. freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of the press and of other media of communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, and freedom of association; not to mention no right to participate in political activities and the right to a democratic form of government; loss of the right to enter and leave Canada, and to move to and take up residence in any province, or to reside outside Canada; no more rights of people in dealing with the justice system and law enforcement; and just go ahead and forget any equal treatment before and under the law, and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination, not to mention bilingual language rights, tha said Charter rights are guaranteed equally to men and women, and that other rights and freedoms in Canada are not invalidated by the Charter. Whew!

All because the mandarins and moral eunuchs of the most exalted University of Calgary said so, and absolute authority resides with them to abrogate any, all, or some rights of students (especially on alternate Tuesdays) should said minions get uppity on some topic or issue upon which all right-thinking persons have already spoken once and for all.

Off campus? Rights. On campus? No rights. UofC lawyers are still working on whether or not to decree the rights of visitors to campus similarly (or temporarily) invalid, depending on whether or not they have thoughts or words or deeds offensive to the correct-thinking consensus.

Pay up. Shut up. Do what you’re told. Absorb goodthink. Don’t upset the eternal status quo. So the confusions of the sexual and political rebellion of the flower children becomes the soft-fascism meant to imprison the minds and heats and bodies of the grandchildren of the revolutionaries, forever.

So the inward rot of the academy aids and abets those who would make us a compliant and obedient society, whether under Utopian Progressivism, or sharia law and Koranism. Says Ezra:

“There is a sickness of censorship in Canada, and its depressing to see that it has such deep roots in academia. One of censorship’s other foul manifestations is the human rights commission industry. But it seems to exist wherever you find politically correct, leftist, unaccountable government institutions. They’re the ones bullying peaceful political dissent. This case is even more grotesque than the HRCs, because the police are involved, like they would be in a banana republic. It’s unCanadian. The University of Calgary is unCanadian. And Canadians should punish it, punish it, punish it in the only way it cares about.”

Boycott. Protest. Withhold donations and endowments. Profs? Stand tall for freedom, and your students. Alumni/ae? Fight back. If all else fails, vote with your wallets and feet, and find a real school, where the exercise of reason and discussion and vigorous debate about the abiding issues and questions of our time are allowed, not proscribed by academic and administrative weasels pretending to be humans. King’s College in Halifax, and Montreal’s Concordia University and others have a great-books core curriculum that requires real thought, learning, engagement, and the best of the academic Western Tradition.

Students, parents– do you really want to dump tens of thousands on a speech-coded conduct-patrolled sub-academic gulag like the UofC?

Freedom and truth: it’s yours to lose.


Fraudulent Fraudsters And Their Defraudings

~ IT’S ALWAYS BEST to tell the truth, and to call things by their proper name. That’s philosophy 101, and yer basic Aristotle: to say of things that are, that they are; and to say of things that are not, that they are not.

The world-wide financial crisis is due to a fraud. 30+ years of Democratic social engineering, vote-buying, and strong-arming banks into giving super-risky mortgages to people who would likely default. Then banks and other investors bought into the risky mortgage futures. Then the big castle of cards began to collapse of its own weight. And when the American economy got chest-pains, other national economies world-wide are having minor heart-attacks.


Now, Democrats are perpetuating an even bigger fraud– the biggest fraud in history– to cover up and supposedly repair their first frauds. The Stimulus. It’s a bizarre mess of pork, and even it’s defenders are aware that the American public is waking up– hence the super hyperbolic language of “crisis becoming a catastrophe” coming from the O-val O-ffice, to try and ram through the fraud on top of the other fraud, to steal from the next 30 years of taxpayers and companies. Wall Streeters profited– of a time– from the big lie, and are also complicit.


“.. la verità nulla menzogna frodi….” (Inferno, 20.99)
let no falsehood cheat the truth

In Dante’s Inferno, the fraudulent are found in Circle 8 of Hell. Fraud is a malicious misuse of reason to victimize others with whom the offender holds a special bond of trust. The shades of the politically fraudulent are found in a river of boiling pitch, tormented by clever devils. The particular form of torment is not arbitrary: as their deliberate treachery and trust-breaking immersed their victims– and all of society and its bonds of trust– into the boiling misery of disorder and betrayal and mistrust.

American politics is now led by someone with a vested interest in “remaking the economy”, and not with unmasking and reversing the cause and effects of the original frauds, perpetrated by his own party partly for racial reasons. The perps of the original fraud– many of whom now hold even more power in the new administration– will continue to maliciously misuse their reason and continue to break trust with the American people and their electors. When confronted with the dangers of the Mortgage Fraud, and given opportunities to fix things, Democrats resolutely kept the unfaith, and led America down the road of betrayal and bankruptcy.

Hope. Change. Boiling pitch.


POTUS Dozed, Kentucky Frozed

~ KENTUCKY? Them thar’s Redneck Red-State hillbilly inbred central, i’n’ni’t? Gya-huck! Bitter Bible-hugging gun-clingers; fried chicken; Deliverance; banjoes and barefoot kids.

The thing is, dehumanizing a region and its people because they are politically incorrect, or because your new self-interested POTUS has mocked and bashed the stereotypical rural conservative as insufficiently American and unenlightened (i.e., unlike his smug self)– such dehumanization and snickering can have real-world consequences. Writes blogger Daily Bayonet: “Perhaps if President Obama was as interested in fried chicken, bourbon and horses as he is in tax cheats the poor Kentuckians would get some relief.”

A tow truck assists a semi-tractor trailer truck on U.S. 60 East near Spottsville, Ky., where it had slipped off the shoulder and was in danger of sliding down a steep embankment, Mike Lawrence / The Gleaner / AP

Ice Storms Strike the Heartland: Where’s Obama?

Imagine if self-satisfied and soggy Seattle or Long Island had been hit with a debilitating icestorm, hundreds injured and dozens killed, a million without power in freezing cold, lots of infrastructure and property damage. Many are still without power, water, and heat. Or if a solidly Democratic-voter area was hit with similar damage and losses. Prez O would have been all over it, CNN would have done up a giant disaster graphic with it own mini-theme music.

Instead, this Thursday past: “Obama declares disaster in Kentucky ice storm.” One local Dem bent the knee unto POTUS– “State Rep. Brent Yonts, D-Greenville, applauded Obama for acting quickly on the major disaster declaration”. Super Obama to the rescue, before it even happened! Not so much.

Except: this and other stories don’t give you a timeline. The offending storm? Tuesday, January 27th. The speedy POTUS declaration? Not until Thursday, February 5th. No, not Thursday of the same week– no, not the day it was known to have hit hard; no, not the three days later timeline for which President Bush and FEMA were crucified over for Hurricane Katrina.

Actually, in that case, President Bush declared a Federal state of emergency for Louisiana on Saturday, and on Sunday Bush declared a state of emergency in Alabama and Mississippi, and a major disaster in Florida (Katrina hit Sunday night). Even with the less predictable nature of an ice storm– TEN DAYS later until Obama declares disaster in Kentucky ice storm?

Storm Day: Tues, Jan 27
Wed. Jan 28.
Thursday, Jan 29
Friday, Jan 30
Saturday, Jan 31
Sunday, Feb 1st
Monday, Feb 2nd
Tuesday, Feb 3rd
Wednesday, Feb 4th
Thurs, Feb 5th

Ten Freaking Days

No last Thursday Oval Office TV-to-the-nation (“Please give via the Red Cross, Kentuckians are in our thoughts & prayers” type thing), no early pre-approval for FEMA and emergency funds (think Bush in most recent U.S. disasters) to expedite funds, relief, paperwork, and recovery. 10 days later, and still no Obama trip into the disaster-zone.

Looks like that Ivy-league lookin’-down his nose snob Obama done fergit a detail or two about his alleged Prezzy role model, Abe Lincoln: that little log cabin where the unedumacated baby Abe was borned? You got it: Sinking Spring Farm, in southeast Hardin County… Kentucky.

A better man than Obama, Lincoln committed his presidency to the path that would lead to freedom and equality for all Americans, even though that battle would cost him his health, and his life.

Partly-black part-American Obama may have benefited from that sacrifice, yet he doesn’t seem truly committed to the idea that he is the servant of the American people, not they his; and that his service is not only particular classes, colours, or ideologies. That’s why– at least up to this point– Obama only has it in him to become a good president, but not a great president.

The ten-day-late President? No, the media-lapdogs will not tell that tale, or compare Obama’s half-assed efforts with a manageable crisis, versus the world-class disaster of Katrina.

Inauguration? Political battles? Defending the ‘stimulus’ pork-bill or his crooked nominees? Nope– a true hero sees a disaster, and drops the rest to go and deal with that crisis, until he has done all within his power to help stricken Americans. That would reveal a lot more than another photo-op, another YouTube ‘conversation’, another tightly-controlled press conference.

Imagine the American President and other high-powered leaders handing out blankets, sitting with cold nad miserable folks in shelters, congratulating doctors, nurses, emergency responders, and National Guard members. Standing with ordinary Americans, and not aloof, away, belated, munching on those tasty $100 Wagyu steaks, and off playing hookey with the Missus on Tuesday the 3rd, so bored and irritated with all that pesky big-boy White House stuff.

Stupid Kentucky: such a total bummer for the Obamas, dontcha know.

Imagine: a real President.



Mark Steyn

~ STEYN, LIVE! — CANADA vs FREE SPEECH: Mark will be testifying at the Ontario Parliament this Monday in Toronto re the OHRC’s breach of his human rights and related matters. Ezra Levant has more …. (steyn, ez)

~ RUSHDIE, TWENTY YEARS ON— STEYN ON BRITAIN: The acceptance of Islamic intimidation …. (steynonline)

~ STEYN SAYS Obama mythology could use some stimulus …. (ocregister)

~ WHAT HAPPENS NOW? Steyn looks ahead to the next phase of Europe’s Islamization, only in the print edition of the new National Review, on sale Monday across the United States …. (nro)

~ ONE REPUBLICAN WHO WON’T VOTE EITHER WAY— STEYN ON THE STIMULUS: A strange end to Judd Gregg’s Senate career …. (nrotc)


~ THE HATEFUL Mark Steyn to testify before the Ontario Provincial Parliament …. (ezralevant)

~ THE UNIVERSITY of Calgary is a disgrace.. “They’re bullies, they’re censors, they’re abusers of process, and they don’t give a damn who knows about it” …. (ezralevant)

~ CANAPES & CRUDITES! Jennifer Lynch’s $8,200 party in Vienna …. (Ez)

~ THE EZ ON DAVID MASON: “Alberta’s new HRC boss off to a bad start” …. (Ez)

~ PRINCE IGGY CAVES to international pressure, orders Kinsella to apologize; revisit– “Disgraced Liberal lobbyist Warren Kinsella tries to destroy me“.. for exposing the fact that Kinsella showed the anti-semitic Elmasry / Sock Puppet squad some love– all while working for the Canadian Jewish Council …. (Ez, Kinsella)


~ HOT UPDATE on Girl on the Right 5th Anniversary Contest …. (girlontheright)

~ UPCOMING: Conference – Freedom of Speech: Restoring Reason, Truth and Civility to the Public Square– The Neeje Association for Women and Family Present a Panel Conference. With guest speakers Babara Kay, Robert A. Kenedy, Nicole Scheidl, Tarek Fatah and Panel Moderator Brian Lilley …. (

~ THE GYAPONG— Want to support this blog? Buy my novel; Good piece by Yuval Levin on Sarah Palin; Brilliant Mark Steyn to keep you laughing instead of crying into your oatmeal; Porkasaurus Jobs? “I did the math”– John McCain; Rich Lowry on Obama’s petulant “I won”; Two good posts on the SSPX controversy; Stinking Papists! PSAC creates anti-Catholic work environment at Treasury Board; Catholic Civil Rights League on free speech rights; Editor wants compensation for unjust human rights complaints; Bus slogan generator; Michael Dubreil’s last column; Ha ha ho ho extremely funny Glenn Beck satire …. (

~ CONTRADICTORY FUNSIES! It’s CHRC Stakeholder versus CHRC Stakeholder, B’nai Brith v. The Canadian Arab Federation! …. (

~ PROBORT FANATICS oppose free speech at Halifax university …. (novascotiascott)

~ HALIFAX TRANSIT SYSTEM declines to run atheist ads …. (kennethhynek)

~ TRUTH? NO DEFENCE— “Ottawa radio host chastized for making ‘abusive and discriminatory,’ but true, statements about Islam and Muslims”; and Kate @ SDA: “More People Are Murdered By Islamists Each Year…. than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined” …. (fivefeetoffury, sda)

~ CLASSY PRINCIPLES: Intelligent design and high culture: Ben Stein bounced from commencement ceremony!; Financial Times of London: If you must be wrong, why must you also be just plain stupid and out of date?…. (

~ THAT’S MODERN LOGIC FOR YA! “The Board of Medicine has revoked the license of a Florida doctor accused of medical malpractice in a botched abortion case in which a live baby was delivered, but ended up dead in a cardboard box” …. (girlontheright)

~ OUR HIGH PRIESTHOOD— MMR doctor doctored his data …. (novascotiascott)

~ SUPPORT Lowell Green: Ottawa Radio Station Host at CFRA “Chastised” for “Tone” of Response To Islamofascists – Oh Good Grief …. (

~ THE NEW ALBERTA Human Rights Chief Commissioner to Work to Add “Sexual Orientation” to Legislation …. (lifesitenews)


~ ACTION DINO— Parasites in the brain!; I’d warn you on Cats & the joys of Toxoplasmosoid parasites, but then all you kitty-bots would march on me and implant your feline-loving brain-slugs. Toxo? Can lead to schizophrenia (fill in the blank: ‘_____ cat lady’, bipolar disorder, and other possible behavioural changes …. (MaD)

11377Get Yours Today!

~ WHAT’S THE OPPOSITE Of Diversity? University. Quote: “The Canadian Charter Of Rights and Freedoms (the Charter) does not apply to universities.” …. (sda, wiki)

~ OFFICIAL DISCRIMINATION— Christian foster parent struck off after Muslim girl converts …. (novascotiascott)

~ HUMAN RIGHTS Thugs Starting To Back Off …. (

~ CANADIAN COLUMNIST David Warren takes on a Darwinist, on the subject of whales …. (

~ SHAIDLE: “We urgently need an expression for this phenomenon” …. (fivefeetoffury)

~ WHEN PHILOSOPHY intrudes into science …. (kennethhynek)

~ CALL ISSUED FOR ALUMNI to Cut Funding to U of Calgary over Pro-Life Trespassing Fiasco …. (lifesitenews)

~ COURAGE! “Brave Jackal! .. Now that there is a ceasefire the brave Lying Jackal has announced a heroic measure in defense of Israel. A demonstration? A human rights complaint regarding all that Death to the Jews chanting in Canadian streets? Er, no.”; Now with a Heaping helping of Crow …. (jaycurrie)

~ SOCON— The Thugs of Academia; Trading Cowboy Boots for Jackboots: University of Cal-Jury …. (

~ BREAKENRIDGE— Niall Ferguson: Our Keynesian Folly; and The Resistance Will Not Lay Down Its Arms …. (am770chqr)

~ BOLDLY INTO THE FRAY! “While a small number of us have been enduring frostbite and death threats on the streets of Toronto… Others have decided to… take out newspaper ads!”; Warring Warren Jumps Right In! …. (fivefeetoffury, GotR)

~ U OF CALGARY JACKBOOTERY— University Saved from Crazed, Evil, Violent…Girls …. (

~ THE CANADIAN Cat Meat Marketing Board, part 2 …. (mitchieville)

~ SOUL-DEATH: Child Porn Pandemic as Police Estimate 600,000 Americans, 65,000 Canadians Trading Child Porn Online …. (lifesitenews)

~ JAILED POLITICIANS, dead artists & pot, by Walker Morrow – The Citizen …. (

~ ATHEISM, BUSES, and Slow Burn …. (girlontheright)

What If Atheists Had Some REAL Cojones?…


~ HUMAN TRAFFICKING is slave trading: MP Joy Smith …. (nscott)

Are You An Economy With Performance Issues?

~ FRESH CJUNK— Gun Control is Bullsh*t; Penn and Teller Again …. (

~ OUR ECONOMIC WOES HAVE NAMES: Rick McGinnis – tells a story newly familiar to many …. (, 5fof )

~ DAN SHAPIRO: Even obnoxious speech should not be censored …. (

~ FRESH HARPER-BASH: We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Intellectuals …. (dustmybroom)

~ A NEW DEFINITION of ‘racist’: anyone ‘winning an argument with the New York Times’ …. (fivefeetoffury)

~ MORAL MONSTER WATCH: “Sick: Siblings of Canadian serial killer Robert Pickton sue B.C. government for killing plants and fish during investigation” …. (dustmybroom)

~ DEBUNKING Liberal Myths about the Vietnam War: Part One — Two Famous Photos …. (fivefeetoffury)

~ GLOBAL WARMING Hoax Weekly Round-Up, Feb. 6th 2009 …. (


Glenn Beck satire

~ INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED author & expert scholar ion Islam, Barack H. Obama at National Prayer Breakfast: “There is no religion whose central tenet is hate. There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being.” In unrelated news …. (JiWa)

“O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).” — Qur’an 9:123

“Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.” — Qur’an 98:6

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security….” — Qur’an 3:28

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.” — Qur’an 5:51

“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” — Qur’an 9:5. “If they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due” essentially means, “If they convert to Islam…”

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

~ PREZ OBAMA’S FISCAL STRATEGERY: Let’s hurry up and crash the world economy so we can learn exactly where the US stimulus plan needs fine tuning …. (

~ UN-BE-LIEVABLE— “Debbie Does DC”, Or “Obama Picks Porn Lawyer for #2 at Justice” …. (

~ MELANIE PHILLIPS: America — what have you done? …. (melaniephillips)

~ LEFTIES ♥ THEM fascists: I have read no better explication of the clueless Left and its enduring love affair with Hamas bullies/contempt for the Jewish state than this one, by Denis MacEoin, incoming editor of Middle East Quarterly, and, as an Irishman, a sort of anti-Sid Ryan …. (scaramouche)

~ ACTION: US to drop charges against Cole bombing suspect. Equal & Opposite Reaction: Mother of USS Cole victim refuses to meet with President Obama …. (reuters)

~ THE MORNING AFTER— “Good morning, America: Charles Krauthammer recalibrates the time frame for his nation’s great awakening” …. (scaramouche)

~ SIMPLE MATH: A Fairy Tale …. (regularfolksunited)

~ VICTOR Davis Hanson: “I wonder sometimes how many Americans think they are going crazy…” …. (fivefeetoffury)

~ PONDERING The meaning of Sarah Palin …. (novascotiascott)

~ OUR VERY OWN HATERS! They just hate it when you point out their Judenhass: Found this one on the Montreal Muslims News Website …. (scaramouche)


~ LAST WEEK WE WERE TREATED to the spectacle of Obama being compared to John Paul II, now we have further wild parallels being floated by the paper of record …. (dustmybroom)

~ BODICE-RIPPER IN CHIEF? Take Me, Obama! …. (sda)


~ HILLARY WANTS TO “reach out” to Muslims too, set to go to Indonesia …. (jihadwatch)

~ O-BA-MA! Toronto Star idol worship front and centre …. (dustmybroom)

~ AN POEM— “The New Diplomacy” by Tarzana Joe …. (hughhewitt)


Obviously Had It Coming

~ UPPITY CHRISTIAN HARLOT HAD IT COMING— Muslim Brotherhood lawyers assault Coptic lawyer. President & police silent. Mohamed Elmasry flies back to his homeland, launches legal fight to protect the rights of Coptic Egyptians. Christians arrested at book fair for distributing Bibles …. (nscott)

~ WAAAAAAH! Islamofascist Mohamed Elmasry is hurt by being called an Islamosfascist…ahhhhhhh poor Elmo …. (

~ CHILD SERVITUDE and forced marriage in Afghanistan …. (novascotiascott)

~ CLUELESS OBAMA— Over at The Corner, in “Military Drops Cole Bombing Charges … For Now and Possibly Forever,” Andy McCarthy has some important observations about Obama’s ordering the charges withdrawn against the USS Cole bombing mastermind …. (jihadwatch)

~ FUN WITH UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATORS continues meeting US politicians, claims 80 meetings with elected officials, staffers in two days. Obama: hope & change: for the bad guys …. (creepingsharia)

~ UK SEES WORST RISE in antisemitic incidents in decades, including graffiti threatening jihad …. (jihadwatch)

~ SCARAMOUCHE— “Speak up now or forever hold your peace: Diana West commends New York mayor Michael Bloomberg for making a statement promoting free speech—and slams the deafening silence of almost everyone else re Geert Wilders’ persecution and the rapid advance of the sharia agenda” …. (scaramouche)

~ TOLERANT NEW Hindu temple being built on rubble of Christian church …. (novascotiascott)

~ THE BIGGEST HONOUR KILLING of Them All- The Left and Islamists gang up on- guess who– How Israel became a terrorist state, by Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali …. (

~ VERBOTEN QUESTIONS.. “Is the Quran always applicable?” …. (nscott)

~ HIS MOMMY SEZ Convicted Canadian terrorist Momin Khawaja was actually a really good guy …. (dustmybroom)

Not A Muslim

~ NEWS YOU CAN USE— The Ontario Science Centre shills for Islam: “Guess who invented algebra—and a whole lot more? The Ontario Science Centre tells all in a new exhibit!” They claim paper, too, but ancient Egyptian papyrus gives us the name, and a Chinese Emperor, Ts’ai Lun, is credited with inventing paper circa 104 AD [ see Huang, Heng-Zheng (1981). The Invention of Paper. In Inventions and Discoveries of the World (pp83-87). Taipei, Taiwan: Yuan Liu Publishing Co. ]. That’s 500 plus years before the religious genius Muhammed and his whacky crew of inventors and geeks invented the world, and most all worthwhile human advances ever, even the stuff before their religion got started. Paper was passed westwards after Muslims invaded Central Asia in the 700s. Who first officially used wood-pulp to make paper? Not sure about that– anyone? …. (scaramouche,

~ LOST HISTORY— “The Christian church flourished in the Middle East and Asia for over a thousand years. In the 14th century, however, Syriac Christianity came under attack in a series of adverse events—most importantly, Islamic rulers began a wide-ranging and sustained persecution of Christians” …. (novascotiascott)

~ SAITH THE CIA: “The British Pakistani community is recognised as probably al-Qaeda’s best mechanism for launching an attack against North America”; Pakistan demands unconditional aid from U.S. …. (JiWa)

~ ENGLISH HEAD TEACHER sues after harassment by Muslims …. (novascotiascott)

~ SOPHISTICATED Protest Methods! “Some unnamed guys of no particular religion threw a shoe at the Israeli envoy in Stockholm. They are likely Amish or Bahai or something” …. (

~ NO PROSECUTION in Turkey’s Armenian apology campaign …. (novascotiascott)

~ NUKE-DADDY! “Pakistan may be giving Khan ‘license to resume, perhaps directly, his past actions to aid, abet and profit from the spread of nuclear weapons.'” …. (jihadwatch)


“..Spain is now

a source of

Human Resources

for future terrorists…”

~ THE SPANISH EXPERIMENT— The results of appeasement? “Five years after March 11th, which made Spain a target of the Islamist terror, Interior Minister has stated that “Spain is now a source of Human Resources for future terrorists”, “situated in the 1st place in the ranking of their preferred recruitment places for Al-Qaeda in Europe, and, at the same time, it continues to be a target of international terrorism”.” …. (blogfreeworld)

~ MELANIE PHILLIPS: The Royal Court’s mystery play; The jihad against Britain’s Jews; Hamas war crimes? Obviously. So blame the victim …. (melaniephillips)

~ FLYING PIG ALERT! Sunspots? Full moon? UN to investigate Hamas’ use of children as human shields!; UN halts aid to Gaza after Hamas keeps stealing it …. (JiWa)

MadTV – terrorist videomessage skit

~ SO WHERE are the “moderate Palestinians”? New poll shows 55% support suicide bombings …. (jihadwatch)

~ UNHAPPY CARPERS: The Muslim world had such high hopes for the new president, but they’ve been dashed, writes an Egyptian opiner in the New York Times, because of the U.S.’s confounding refusal to side with Muslims in their ongoing jihad against Israel (or, in the Arab P.R.-speak that resonates so effectively with the usefully idiotic, the Palestinian “resistance” to Jewish “occupation”) …. (scaramouche)

~ OLD NAZI HANGS WITH NEW NAZIS— “Is anyone really surprised that this Nazi lived happily ever after in Egypt and converted to Islam? The only other countries where he might have felt more at home are Saudi Arabia and Iran” …. (

~ GERMAN MISUNDERSTANDER of Islam gets 18 years in prison for synagogue bombing …. (JiWa)

~ ISLAM IS THE Final Solution er Final Religion…. “Saudia Arabia urged to stop executions, amputations, floggings, allow religious freedom” …. (

~ OBAMA’S Charm Offensive and the Global Jihad …. (

~ AMERICAN JIHADIST threatens Jewish sites …. (jihadwatch)

~ CANADA: The Real Battle for Free Speech– “I’m so relieved to know what you really need to be producing and publishing to be considered at the vanguard of free speech in Canada.” What a craptacular illogic– “I’m not crazy: YOU people are crazy for thinking I’m crazy!” …. (


13 thoughts on “Steynian 322

  1. Before you diss Islam, know your Christianity first… And quit generalizing, too.

    While chatting with a friend the other day, we found ourselves on the topic of religion. This particular friend is getting a tattoo of the word in Islam for “infidel” in a few weeks. When I asked him why he would do this (he’s Christian), he told me that he was doing it as a mockery of the faith. He spoke of Islam as a violent religion, out to massacre and kill, pillage and rape. He cited this passage from the Quran: “Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate” (Quran 9:73) “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan” (Quran 4:76), and of course, he referenced suicide bombings.

    This logic no longer surprises me, but it does continue to agitate me. The direct correlation between Islam and September 11, the assertions that all Muslims are America-haters and Christian-killers, that the religion teaches them to either convert non-believers or exterminate them… all of this I’ve heard time and time again, and all of it I roll my eyes at. The overt hypocrisy, the vast generalizations, and the sheer idiocy of these remarks are so easy to see, yet even easier to overlook.

    The Christian Bible’s Old Testament repeatedly calls on those of faith to either convert or kill non-believers. For example, Deuteronomy 17 states, “17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.”

    Why can we point out passages in the Quran that call for extermination of infidels while we continue to ignore the very passages in the CHRISTIAN BIBLE that promote the exact same actions? What makes our “peaceful” Christian religion justified in its writings urging murder yet labels Islam a violent faith?

    After reaching this point in the argument, I am usually reminded of the events of September 11; I’m told that terrorists bombed the World Trade Center in the name of their faith, and thus, any faith that promotes such a thing must surely be a hostile one. I’d like to direct anyone who chooses to utilize this argument back to the actions of our peaceful Christian brothers and sisters. Think of the Christians who have blown up abortion clinics or attacked doctors and nurses who work there in the name of Christianity. Is this not a similar concept? European countries in the 16 and 1700s colonized and enslaved the people of Africa and Asia in the name of Christianity, in the name of saving the savage people from their filthy sin filled lives. Their land and resources were exploited and their human dignity ravaged all disguised under a veil of Christianity’s greater good, of a mission to bring the Christian faith to those who were too stupid and too uncivilized to know it.

    But no, it is the Muslims who are violent.

    The men who bombed the World Trade Center were not Muslims at all. The faith strictly forbids alcohol consumption, loose sexual values, and gambling, yet the terrorists of 911 drank heavily, utilized the service of prostitutes, and visited casinos all the night before their act of terrorism was to be executed. Wouldn’t it seem that men who are thought to be killing American lives all in the name of Islam would be interested in rigidly following the basic rules of their faith?

    “Oh yes, well the Quran states that those who die for their faith will be rewarded greatly in heaven.” I would like to guide you toward Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount for a response to this argument. “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake/ Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12). We honor martyrs and pray to saints, many of whom have died in the name of their Christian faith. We immortalize those who have died for the sake of Christianity… Sound familiar?

    Of course, at this point I must add a disclaimer, although I know that there will still be someone who chooses to point this out: I am in no way saying that Islam is never used by evil people as a shield for evil deeds. However, we have to remember to separate the religion from the people. By this I mean, while the faith itself may say one this, someone else may interpret it to mean something else, something violent and hostile, and may act on it. This does not mean that that is what all Muslims believe!

    Again, to Christianity… Some Christians believe that only through baptism can one be saved. Even if one has never heard of Jesus Christ, because that person has not been baptized and does not accept Christ as his or her savior (again, not by choice but because the belief in Christ has never been made known to that person), that person will go to hell. Not all Christians believe this. Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin; not all Christians believe that the death penalty is bad; not all Christians believe evolution is real; not all Christians choose to wait to have sex until after marriage. This means that Christianity, like Islam, is not a uniform belief. Some people believe and do one thing while some people believe and do another. It is not just to generalize a whole people, an ENTIRE FAITH on the actions of the few or with regards to the events that we see on the news. It’s not fair, and it’s not right.

    I really am becoming more and more disgusted with the hatred and bigotry toward Islam. Yes, there are bad Muslims out there, and Christians and Jews, and Hindus and atheists. We have to stop judging and entire faith on our shallow predispositions and skin-deep generalizations. We have to let go of our contempt and judgmental attitudes and stop being so childish and inane.

    More senseless idealism and bleeding-heart liberalism from an untainted nineteen year old youth.
    “We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
    MLK Jr.

    Perhaps it’s not too late…

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    4 Responses to “Before you diss Islam, know your Christianity first… And quit generalizing, too.”

    1. ahh Says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:07 am

    prokopios is the solution
    2. amberfireinus Says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:10 am

    I absolutely loved your blog. Finally someone who tells it like it is!!! I love it! I am planning to send this link to people who I feel need to see it in their lives. I have tried to articulate these same thoughts in my own blog.

    Very eloquently put. Bravo!!
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    4. ilegirl Says:
    January 2, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Thanks for this well-stated post. It’s good to know that there are others who are as troubled by misinformation and misinterpretation of Islam as I.



    Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)

    Ancient Pagans

    * As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
    * Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
    * Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
    * Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyer.” [DA468]
    * Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
    * Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
    According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”
    * In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
    * In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
    * The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.


    * Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
    * Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
    * 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
    * 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops “pacified and civilized” Ireland, where only Gaelic “wild Irish”, “unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that “the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies… and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie”, which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused “greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde”.
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

    Crusades (1095-1291)

    * First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
    * Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
    * 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
    * Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
    * After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
    Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy’s] tents – save that they ran their lances through their bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
    * Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine “the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians” said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
    * Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    In the words of one witness: “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, and after that “happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude.”
    * The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished.” [TG79]
    * Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”. [WW41]
    * Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. [WW45]
    * Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
    * Crusades (1095-1291)

    o Estimated totals:

    + Wertham: 1,000,000

    + Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
    Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. []

    + Aletheia, The Rationalist’s Manual: 5,000,000

    o Individual Events:

    + Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland

    + Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in
    Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.

    + Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6

    # 1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].

    # Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems

    # 1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.

    # 50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.

    # 1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.

    # Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.

    # Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks

    # Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.

    # 1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.

    # Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.

    # [TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]

    + Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) []

    # Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197

    + Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost
    a total of 3,600 in battle.

    # 1st C (1096-99): 400

    # 2nd C (1147-49): 750

    # 3rd C (1189-91): 930

    # 4th C (1202-04): 120

    # 5th C (1228-29): 600

    # 7th C (1248-54): 700

    + James Trager, The People’s Chronology (1992)

    # 1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced
    Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.

    # 1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. “Most” lost to

    # 1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.

    # 1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and
    desertions in campaign vs Antioch.

    # 1212: Children’s Crusade loses some 50,000.

    # [TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around

    o TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out
    the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam (“Pluralitas non est
    ponenda sine necessitate”), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M
    deaths in the Crusades.

    Heretics and Atheists

    * Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
    * Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
    * Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
    The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
    Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
    neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
    * Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
    * Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]

    * After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
    * Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
    * Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
    * Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
    * John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
    * Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]
    * University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]

    * Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
    * Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.


    * From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
    * In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
    * Incomplete list of documented cases:
    The Burning of Witches – A Chronicle of the Burning Times

    Religious Wars

    * 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
    * 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
    * 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
    Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, “a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by.” [SH216]
    * 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
    * 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, “cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals… and then dumped him into the river […but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [… and] dragged what was left … to the gallows of Montfaulcon, ‘to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows’.” [SH191]
    * 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. “In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,” reported poet Friedrich Schiller, “and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.” [SH191]
    * 17th century 30 years’ war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]


    * Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown.
    * In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
    * 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
    * 1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities’ Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
    * 1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
    * 1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
    * 1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
    * 1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
    * 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
    * 1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
    * 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
    * 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
    * 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
    * 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
    * 1391 Seville’s Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored “badges of shame” that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
    * 1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
    * 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.

    (I feel sick …) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.

    Native Peoples

    * Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.
    * Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, “ought to be good servants … [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion.” [SH200]
    While Columbus described the Indians as “idolators” and “slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order,” his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as “beasts” because “they eat when they are hungry,” and made love “openly whenever they feel like it.” [SH204-205]
    * On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, “making the declarations that are required” – the requerimiento – to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And “nobody objected.” If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

    “I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you … and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church … and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him.” [SH66]

    * Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: “justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England … to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, … and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ.” [SH235]
    * In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of “the marvelous goodness and providence of God” to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as “for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess.” [SH109,238]
    * On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
    * The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish raids.
    * As one of the culprits wrote: “So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous.” [SH69]
    * The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As “they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell.” [SH70]
    * What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
    “The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties … They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles… then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive.” [SH72]
    Or, on another occasion:
    “The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts…Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs.” [SH83]
    * The “island’s population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus’s arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out.” Eventually all the island’s natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were “forced” to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus “the Caribbean’s millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century”. [SH72-73] “In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated.” [SH75]
    * “And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next.” [SH75]
    * Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
    * “When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead.”

    Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.

    * Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: “Their Warres are farre less bloudy…”, so that there usually was “no great slawter of nether side”. Indeed, “they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men.” What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
    * In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown – “being idell … did runne away unto the Indyans,” – to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
    “Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: ‘Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe’.” [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: “This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
    choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia” methods were different: “when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community” down. [SH105]
    * On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the “Peqout War.” The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
    * When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief’s pledge they attacked.
    Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
    The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: “And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished … God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven … Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies”: men, women, children. [SH113-114]
    * So “the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance”. [SH111].
    * Because of his readers’ assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
    “Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them…” (Deut 20)
    * Mason’s comrade Underhill recalled how “great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers” yet reassured his readers that “sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents”. [SH114]
    * Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists’ own words: “blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them.” (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
    In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]
    * The surviving handful of Indians “were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for ‘a share’ of the captives, specifically ‘a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good’.” [SH115]
    * Other tribes were to follow the same path.
    * Comment the Christian exterminators: “God’s Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!”
    “Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!” [TA]
    * Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. “Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians ‘grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie’, advised the Council of State in Virginia, ‘we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne’.” [SH106]
    * In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
    * In a single massacre in “King Philip’s War” of 1675 and 1676 some “600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a ‘barbeque’.” [SH115]
    * To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive – a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 – 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about
    30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 – 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive – 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
    * All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.
    * A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
    * In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

    More Glorious Events in U.S. History

    * Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed religious leaders, in “1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do bears’.” [SH241]

    * Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church (“I long to be wading in gore”) had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs’ waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
    From an eye-witness account: “There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed …” [SH131]

    * By the 1860s, “in Hawai’i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands’ native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to ‘the amputation of diseased members of the body’.”

    20th Century Church Atrocities

    * Catholic extermination camps
    Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
    In these camps – the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar –
    orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi “Sicherheitsdienst der SS”, watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
    nothing to prevent them. [MV]

    * Catholic terror in Vietnam
    In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters; the Viet Minh; – had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican’s spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam “Soldiers of Christ”, a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
    Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
    The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

    “Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp.”

    Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in “detention camps.” Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers – male and female – and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded – ; mostly in street riots ; – 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
    To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI’s lost their life.

    * Christianity kills the cat
    On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic priests – with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg – additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital – her body was littered with wounds – her parents, both of them
    fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel’s grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it’s extensive witch burnings).
    This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]

    * Rwanda Massacres
    In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
    For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
    Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany – a station not at all critical to Christianity – the following was stated:

    “Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda’s capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees – women, children, old – being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
    According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
    In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the
    Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on
    fire and burn their victims alive…” [S2]

    More recently the BBC aired:

    Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
    BBC NEWS April 19, 1998

    A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994…

    * As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end.

    If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me sick.

  3. Who is the real terrorist?

    The Human Rights Foundation condemns the unjustified war assault upon the poor, innocent and defenceless people in Afghanistan. This is an unjust war being waged by the strongest country in the world against the poorest country in the world. The US has contemptously rejected many appeals to prove their case against Osma Bin Laden in an independant international court. Surely the US has nothing to fear if its case is as watertight as it would lead us to believe? Or are the public concerns expressed by US officials about the “holes” in their evidence the main reason for the US to refuse this request. Is George Bush junior any different from his father who said “I will never apologise for the United States of America. I don’t care what the facts are” (George Bush (snr) ( “The Rogue State”, William Blum)

    The entire basis for the war is unproven allegations which rightly should have been submitted to an impartial independent court such as the International Court of Justice ( ICJ). It is interesting that the US and Israel are the two countries which have been most reluctant to give their support to the establishment of the International Criminal Court which could also have had jurisdiction.

    The U.S. attack is not war but a reckless, emotional act of revenge under the banner of fighting for freedom and human rights. “US Policy, under the banners of freedom and human rights, has led to barbarous criminal acts” Institute for Policy Studies, Washington.

    It must be remembered that the attack on the Twin Towers was not perpetrated by the government of Afghanistan. The attack was by alleged individuals. War is a state of hostilities between two countries. Instead of attacking the perpetrators for an alleged “war” on the U.S. ( which the Twin Towers attack was not ) the U.S. has declared war on the government and people of Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan is so hopelessly outmatched by the superior military capability of the US that it is effectively a mass murder and a slaughter of the innocents. George Bush has said that he wants Osma Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”as in the days of the Wild West.

    The U.S. attack on Afghanistan is not even a terrorist attack – it is worse. “Terrorist attacks” by ‘freedom fighters’ are attacks by the weak designed to draw attention to a just cause and are usually resorted to by people who have exhausted all other means to draw attention to injustices and oppression. Our own history shows that the US and the apartheid regime in South Africa called the ANC a ‘terrorist organisation’ while we called them ‘freedom fighters’. The US has a perverted sense of values: It was the strongest ally of the former apartheid regime in SA and responsible for the arrest and imprisonment Nelson Mandela for 27 years as a result of the provision of intelligence by the CIA to the former apartheid government. The US voted against many resolutions at the United Nations which sought to impose sanctions against apartheid South Africa. This is the same US which claims to act in the interests of worldwide “freedom and democracy”

    We must not lose sight of the important distinction between a “freedom fighter” and a “terrorist” or we will fall into the US propaganda trap of demonizing all people (as well as their “moral supporters” and the countries in which they live in and the religion they happen to follow) who have no other option but to use “terrorist activity” as a political weapon. The US has made it clear that it will not distinguish between the “terrorist” and the country that “harbours” a terrorist. What does this mean? It means that any country in which there are known “terrorists” (by the US definition of terrorist which conveniently excludes itself and its allies ) is a potential target for “anti-terrorist activity” The US conducts its own covert operations ( “US terrorist activity” ? ) by allocating a budget of $30 Billion for this purpose. We need to differentiate between “harbouring” a terrorist and the need to request proof of the guilt of a person before action is taken.

    History will record the mass murder and terror in Afghanistan by the U.S. ( which CNN prefers to refer to as the “War on Terror” ) as a shameful event in the history of mankind. The due process of law has not been followed and the US has assigned to itself the role of judge, jury and executioner against an entire country. Once a court has found and convicted the true perpetrators of the attacks than the appropriate punishment should be meted out to the real perpetrators. Prior to this any act of aggression and death caused is illegal and is nothing less than the murder of innocent people.

    The US is using sophisticated computer controlled gunships in an international posse of countries involved in a wild-west style manhunt to “smoke out” their prey, such passion unbecoming of a world leader purporting to believe in civilised values. What the US is doing in Afghanistan is a systematic campaign of terror on a far more concerted basis than what it accuses the terrorists of the September 11 attack. The difference is that they do not care if the accused is guilty; nor do they care how many innocent civilians they kill in achievieng their military, economic and strategic objectives in the region. An indication of the continuing callous attitude of the U.S. is the reponse of Colin Powel in respect of question posed to him on the number of Iraqi’s killed in the Gulf War when he said, “Its really not a number I’m terribly interested in” William Blum in “Rogue State” believes that if a list had to be compiled of Amercian leaders guilty of crimes against humanity, Colin Powel may be one of them. The deaths of civilians in this unjust war is referred to as ‘collateral damage” by the US.

    According to UN reports the effect of the war has caused a humanitarian crisis potentially affecting between 4-7 million civilians who face not only starvation but the effects of exposure to icy cold weather without any form of heating and medical supplies. The US, in order to mute world condemnation and in an attempt to win over the suffering people resorts to the insulting use of scattering haphazardly food for 37 000 people when those starving are in excess of 4 million. Before the war, aid agencies at least ensured that all those who needed food received it. However the actions of the U.S. has disrupted supply of aid and misinformed the public of the true humanitarian impact of the war reflecting the dishonesty of the U.S. in claiming concern for the Afghanistan people.

    The Mute Complicity of the Media

    The atrocities committed by certain nations often receive only passing attention. The media attention to the Twin Towers attack was of course necessary. However what is to be condemned and exposed is the lack of any attention by the mainstream media to atrocities of a similar or far greater magnitute in the the past 10 – 20 years, significant of which is the horrendous bombing of Iraq which led to the death of over 1.5 million people over the next 10 years and to this day the strangulating economic sanctions imposed by the US and UN on Iraq are the cause of the painful and excruciating deaths of 5000 children every month. Do you know what the impact is on a mother to watch a child die a long excruciating painful death due to starvation?

    Every month 5000 children die in this cruel, inhuman way and the world does not even take notice.

    Are they any less worthy of our attention than the 5000 people who died on September the 11th?

    Do you know the psychological impact of being in Afghanistan at present when every moment of the day is like playing a game of Russian Roulette? When you have no idea when the next bomb will ‘accidentally’ miss its target and destroy your home? When you have nowhere to run because the borders are sealed? Besides an entire city in Afghanistan has no electricity and water as a result of the destruction of its infrastructure. This alone will cause countless deaths over the coming weeks. The refugee crisis is mounting and there are several hundred thousand refugees who have nowhere to go since all borders have been sealed.

    “We will never see the smoke, and the fire, we never smell the blood, we never see the terror in the eyes of children, whose nightmares will now feature screaming missiles from unseen terrorists, known only as Americans” Martin Kelly (see Rogue State)

    “It is a scandal in contemporary international law, that while “wanton destruction of towns , cities and villages ” is a war crime of long standing , the bombing of cities from airplanes goes not only unpunished but virtually unaccused.

    Air bombardment is state terrorism, the terrorism of the rich. It has burned up and blasted apart more innocents in the past six decades than have all the antistate terrorists who ever lived.

    Something has benumbed our consciousness against this reality. In the United States we would not consider for the presidency a man who had once thrown a bomb into a crowded restaurant , but we are happy to elect a man who once dropped bombs from airplanes that destroyed not only restaurants but the buildings that surrounded them. I went to Iraq after the Gulf War and saw for myself what the bombs did ; “wanton destruction” is just the term for it.”

    -C.Douglas Lummis, political scientist. ( as quoted in “Rogue State”, William Blum )


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  4. War on Islam to phucking funny, Chairman of a Human Rights Foundation I’m guessing it’s not an organizations that gives women human rights under Wahhabi Islam?

  5. In a truely Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:

    1. The right and duty to obtain education.

    2. The right to have their own independent property.

    3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.

    4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.

    5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.

    6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.

    7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.

    8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can’t stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)

    9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).

    10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.

    11. custody of their children after divorce.

    12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them

    and more…

    ONE of the least understood aspects of Islam is the status of Muslim women and their role in society. It is widely believed in the West that Muslim women are oppressed, repressed, suppressed and depressed.
    It is assumed that they have no rights and are treated as second-class citizens in Islam. This is further fuelled by sensational stories appearing in the media about honour killings, female circumcision, merciless flogging and the alleged treatment of women by the Taliban in Afghanistan.
    The Islamic law (Shariah) is based on the divine source, the Koran and Hadith, the traditions of Prophet Mohammed. It is in the light of Shariah that we will examine the status of women and not dwell on the non-Islamic practices in some Muslim countries. At the outset, however, let us set the record straight. Female circumcision is not recommended, condoned or encouraged by Islam. It is a practice that predates Islam and is found in some African tribes, both Muslim and Christian.
    The so-called honour killings (merely a fancy name for murder) have been found in Jordan and Pakistan. It is interesting to note that regimes of both countries are secular and refuse to treat this as a capital crime. This is in direct violation of Shariah. “Allah has ordained that if anyone slew a person, unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew all of humanity. And if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved all of humankind.” (K 31:34). Furthermore, the Koran states: “Do not kill your children … Surely killing them is a great sin” (K 17:13).
    The case of the Nigerian court sentencing a girl to 100 lashes for fornication is clearly a miscarriage of justice. Shariah stipulates that if there is a slightest doubt, the punitive punishment (hudd) should not be carried out. In this case, the girl claimed rape, and under Islamic law the witness of a rape victim is enough to punish the perpetrator.
    It is clear that the judge in this case made serious error and compromised some fundamental principles of Shariah. To take this one example as basis for Islam-bashing is unfair to say the least. Shariah, like any other body of law, needs to be understood in a comprehensive and contextual way rather than picking on bits and pieces.
    The most important aspect to consider is that Islam accepts both men and women as equal in their creation and in their relationship to Allah. “O humankind, be careful of your duty to your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and from it created its make … Be careful of your duty to Allah in Whom you claim your mutual rights” (K 4:1).
    This verse clearly defines the origin of men and women as coming from a single soul, thereby rejecting any claims that men are greater or better than women or vice versa. In the history of Islam, the question of whether a woman has a soul or not, was never entertained as she was always considered a person under Shariah with the same human rights as men. “And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women” (K 2:226).
    In the spiritual realm, men and women have equal access to the Creator. They are both responsible and accountable for their beliefs and deeds. Every ritual of worship, either the five daily prayers or fasting, is incumbent on both men and women. They are both promised the same reward for good deeds and same punishment for bad. “Whosoever does right whether male or female and is a believer, Allah shall quicken with good life and Allah shall pay recompense in proportion to the best of what they do.” (K 16:97).
    Furthermore, the Koran holds both Adam and Eve (Hawa), responsible for their disobedience to Allah for partaking of the fruit from the forbidden tree. Islam does not portray Eve as temptress or all women as instrument of Satan. On the contrary, Islam calls women ‘Muhsana’ (fortress against Satan).
    In the economic realm, Shariah treats woman as a completely independent entity. She can make any contract, bequest in her own name and is entitled to inherit as a mother, wife, daughter and sister. She can carry out trade or business independently and is not liable for her husband’s debt.
    She is not obliged to spend a penny on the family, and her husband has no rights on her money whether earned or inherited. If she chooses, out of her free will, to contribute towards the family or help her husband, this is considered charity on her part. The husband, on the other hand, is obliged to provide for her and the family. Muslim women also maintain their maiden name after marriage, further stressing their independent personality.
    Muslim women and men must observe modesty in their interactions and avoid any situation that will compromise their morals and mar their reputation. It is therefore forbidden for Muslim men and women who are not related to each other to be alone together.
    Islam does not allow dating but makes provisions for intentions of marriage to socialize with the presence of a chaperon. “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and keep themselves from immodest actions and that is pure for them” (K 24:31, 31:30)
    Premarital and extramarital sexual relations are forbidden and are a grave sin, punishment for which are harsh but subject to conditions of proof that are almost impossible to satisfy. For example, for fornication and adultery there must be four reliable eyewitnesses who can testify that they witnessed the actual act of intercourse.
    This is one condition that has never been satisfied in the history of Islamic civilization when Shariah is formally applied. The rare occasions when punishment for adultery and fornication have been carried out have been as result of confessions made at four to six different occasions by sane people.
    Islam treats adultery as a crime and wants the punishment to serve as a deterrent. The punishment also applies equally to both men and women. When it comes to punitive measures of Shariah there is no discrimination in their application. Islam considers fornication and adultery as an act that destroys the very basis of family, which leads to quarrels and murders, ruins reputations and spreads numerous diseases physical and spiritual. “Do not come near adultery for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road to other evils,” (K 17:32).
    Muslim women are free to choose their partners and cannot be forced in to marriage against their will. “Do not prevent them from marrying their husbands when they agree between themselves in a lawful manner” (K 2:32). Shariah does not recognize marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim man and strictly forbids such a union unless the man freely converts to Islam. “And do not give your women in marriage to unbelievers until they believe: (K 2:221). The reasons for this are practical and wise. To expect a spouse who does not share one’s faith or way of life to abide by these values is a recipe for conflict.
    Muslim women have similar access to divorce as men, and are free to remarry if divorced or widowed. As a mother, Islam puts women in a revered position. Prophet Mohammed stated that “Paradise lies at the feet of the mother.” When asked by his companions who they should serve to gain Allah’s pleasure the Prophet replied three times “your mother.”
    Much is made of the way Muslim women dress that is seen by some as a symbol of oppression. I find this quite amusing since I did not adorn the ‘hijab’ till I came to Canada and had the opportunity to study Islam. By conforming to the Islamic dress code that requires the covering of the entire body in loose non-transparent clothing except the face and hands when in public. Muslim women make a statement that they are not sexual objects that can be exploited or accosted.
    The whole idea of freedom is to have the right to make a choice, and by choosing Islam, I choose a certain ideology and way of life. By assuming that I do this under duress is condescending and presumptuous. It is essential that we acknowledge that there are Muslim women who do not wear the hijab. This in no way reflects on their sincerity of faith or religiosity, for only Allah knows what is in our hearts and Allah alone is the judge.
    -Shahina Siddiqui is executive director, Islamic Social Services Association, United States and Canada (You go girl!)
    Just an out there thought, right: why would so many “modern” women out there be converting to Islam now, if it brutalised and subjected us to men? Why would we ever get married or pray, hmmmm?- From a throughly modern women who also is Muslim

  6. If Akter has such a revisionist imago of Islam I vote him off our island and will chip in for his passage to go live an Islamic nation, like Sudan. Islamic countries have a yearly net migration out of them, the world is not banging down their doors to get in and share the wonderful bounty, peace and social justice Islam bestows on its followers.

  7. akhter Says:
    “Who is the real terrorist?
    The Human Rights Foundation condemns the unjustified war assault upon the poor, innocent and defenceless people in Afghanistan.”

    The HRC termites are cloistered ideologue eunuchs who do NOT have to live with the daily violence done to innocents by savage religious fanatics in uncivilized hell holes like Afghanistan. Their optics are oblique and their opinion is tainted with sophism.

    As for who the terrorists are, to date the Talib government and Taliban insurgency forces have murdered and wounded more innocent civilian Afghanis than the Russians did in their invasion and occupation.

    The number of civilians killed by the “armed opposition”, which includes Taliban-led insurgents, was 65 per cent higher than in 2007, it said.

    The overwhelming majority of civilian deaths, 85 per cent, were caused by bombings, including those carried out by suicide bombers.

    The insurgents also continue an intimidation campaign that includes summary executions of people perceived to be linked to, or supporting, the democratically elected government and its allies.

    But please continue with your foamy-mouthed subverting rants, don’t let facts get in the way of absolving an cold-blooded fanatic jihad.

  8. Just an out there thought, right: why would so many “modern” women out there be converting to Islam now, if it brutalised and subjected us to men? Why would we ever get married or pray, hmmmm?- From a throughly modern women who also is Muslim.


    When the woman falls in love with a man who is kind and generous and loves them in return, they might take his faith and marry him. It is a beautiful thing that we as a secular society condone and applaud. We have pride that we a not backward, barbaric idiots like your co-religionists who ban this behaviour.

    We as a secular society trust our people to make their own decisions and respect them. We realise we need to do this for practical reasons, to do otherwise means inbreeding leading to genetic retardation inherent with systems of chaperoning and segregation as practiced by too many barabaric tribes.

    As a rule we welcome modern women joining with the partner of their choice (as long as they are not cousins) irrespective of religion. We wish them all the best and sincerely hope that they appreciate the happiness their own choice allowed them. And dressing in covering clothing or praying 5 times a day are choices they are free to make affecting only themselves and so of little importance to secular society.

    It is in the practice of enforcing belief upon the unwilling that Islam and secularism differ. If you have a daughter of your own fall in love with a non-Muslim and you prevent the relationship through abduction, abuse or killing you are truly a Muslim, but until then you are merely a secularist who has chosen to dress funny and say prayers in a mosque. Do you commit to preventing your children from marrying outside the faith at all costs, if not how can you say you are a Muslim?

  9. Love, Marriage and Family

    Where in the world, are the Muslim youth getting their ideals about love, marriage and family? Are we turning to the Qur’ân and the Sunnah of the Prophet SallAllâhu ‘alayhi wa sallam?
    Unfortunately, we do not.

    In the Indian subcontinent, we’re turning to Indian films; In America and possibly the rest of the world, we’re turning to Hollywood.
    Mumbai, a famous mainstream Indian film, features a Muslim girl who falls in love and ultimately marries a Hindu boy. At the beginning of the film, she is shown in niqab [veil]. After her family refuses to allow their marriage, the girl runs away and does not speak to them for six years. At the end her parents come to her and all are happy.

    Hollywood, one of the largest influences in the world, plays a huge role in the formation of concepts about love, marriage, and family. These films portray men and women who are ‘in love.’ And yet, often times the individual they ‘love’ will be someone they just saw or spoke to briefly. Suddenly, however they are willing to lose their spouse, their family, their job, their life, and even their Lord. It is, therefore, more correct to say that they make these sacrifices because their desires have become their god. Allâh speaks of these people when He says:

    Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own vain desire? Allâh knowing [him as such] has left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allâh (has withdrawn guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?” (45:23)

    But yet these very same people that Allâh has described in His book as most astray have become our example and ideal. In 1998, Titanic, grossing more than 1 billion dollars in sales worldwide, became the most popular movie across the globe. The story features a young girl of age 17 who is engaged to be married. After meeting and ultimately falling in love with another man, the young girl cheats on her fiancé and disobeys her mother. Both the mother and the fiancé are shown as superficial in order to make her disloyalty more acceptable.

    The messages of these films are very penetrating. The most powerful message is: if you sacrifice for ‘love’, all will be well in the end. In other words, if you disregard your religion, your family, your God, following only your desires, you will be rewarded in the end.

    If we look to America, we can see the clear effects of these misshapen concepts. ‘Why has divorce reached the unprecedented rate of 40-60%?

    The answer lies in the misconstrued definition of what true love and marriage actually is. These movies feature the wedding as the end of the movie, and thus marriage is seen as the end of a love story, rather than the beginning.

    Does Piety Matter?

    What effect does this have on our society, on our youth in particular, who are the victims of these misconstrued ideals. What is the basis of the “love” portrayed in these movies?
    What criterion will young Muslims affected by these images use when choosing a spouse? Will they follow the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallallalhu ‘alayhi wa sallam, who says the one who marries for Dîn [religion and conduct] is blessed?
    Or, will they base their choice on an empty, fleeting attraction disguised as “love”? If the youth begin to choose their spouses based on this ephemeral emotion rather than on Dîn, what effect will that have on the Ummah as a whole? Will not more families be broken due to divorce and strife? Will more youth not be forced to cut ties with their families (assuming they do not agree)?

    Thus, we should be aware and guard ourselves and our children from this deceptive tool of Satan. Allâh describes those people who only follow their desires numerous times throughout the Qur’ân. Let us not be among those who Allâh describes as most astray and let those not become our ideals.

    “Who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, devoid of guidance from Allâh? For Allâh guides not people given to wrongdoing” [28: 50]

  10. Women are property, for me to do with as they wish. Rape, sell beat and abuse so are children. Sharia Law is the most barbaric, despicable practice on this earth that allows pedophiles to marry little girls as young as six.

    Islamic question and answer session:


    Snippet: Praise be to Allaah.

    We have explained in the answer to questions no. 11774 and 21536 the ruling on women covering their faces and hands, and that it is obligatory for them to cover them in front of non-mahram men.

    Allaah has enjoined woman to be obedient to her husband, and has made men qawwaamoon (protectors and maintainers) of women. They are supposed to direct and look after women as a leader directs and looks after his people, because of the physical and mental characteristics with which Allaah has distinguished them, as well as the financial duties that

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    Yea Islam espouse one thing in public and practices another in private. Chattel, that’s what women and children are.


    I am by no means an “authority” on Islam but I do come from a place where there is a spectrum of views on the subject of women in Islam. I grew up in Iran seeing my mother practice Islam in a pure and quiet way, with tolerance, care and concern for everyone Later I learned about political Islam and from that point on, the images between what “is” and what “should be” became apparent.

    Many of us – those from the West and the East – have negative images of women in Islam: the uneducated woman who has no say in decision making, the pregnant mother who does household chores all day, the subservient wife who suffers under the abuse of her dictatorial husband. The western perception in general and the western media in specific have specialized in portraying these images. In all honesty, in the East, where I come from, although the images may not be as harsh, the prejudices somewhat remain. In the East, at times, these prejudices which emanate from misunderstandings, ignorance, old tales and sayings, enter the fabric of society and after many generations people believe what is told to them is real religion and the word of God, it mixes with cultural attitudes and takes on the name of religion. So, it has been and remains a great challenge to affirm the rights of Muslim women.

    For this reason, the topic of women in Islam is an essential subject for discussion, for both eastern and western women and men. I hope it will create a bond of discovery and understanding between them. Given my limited time and knowledge, I will keep to just a few essential topics, beginning with the historical contexts and Quranic references that create the framework for understanding the place of woman in Islam. I will also try to touch on issues that concern Muslim women and men as well as non-Muslims.

    My points will, Inshallah, focus on the basic principles of Islam for both women and men to follow in society. Moreover, I would like to emphasize the distinction between the “normative” teachings of Islam and diverse cultural practices among Muslims which may or may not be consistent with these teachings. So although you might continue to have those negative images in your mind that I mentioned earlier, you will, Insha’Allah, know that the principles differ from actuality.


    Today people think that women are liberated in the west and that the women’s liberation movement began in the 20th Century. Actually the women’s liberation movement was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in the seventh century. The Qur’an and the Traditions of the Prophet (Hadith and Sunna) guarantee every Muslim woman certain rights and duties.


    These rights are equal to those of a man but they are not necessarily identical. Equality and sameness are two different things. This difference is understandable because man and woman are not identical but they are created equals. The distinction between equality and sameness is of paramount importance. With this distinction in mind, there is no room to imagine that woman is inferior to man, just because her rights are not identical. Had her status been identical with his, she would have been simply a duplicate of him, which she is not. The fact that Islam gives her equal rights – but not identical rights- shows that it takes her into consideration, acknowledges her, and recognizes her independent personality and role.

    In the Qur’an Allah frequently addresses both the man and the woman. In one passage Allah reveals:

    “For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women who are patient, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise – For them all has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.” (33:35)

    3. Human Rights:

    Woman is recognized by Islam as equal partner in the procreation of humankind. Man is the father, woman is the mother, and both are essential for life. By this partnership, woman has an equal share in every aspect; she is entitled to equal rights; she undertakes equal responsibilities, and she has as many qualities and as much humanity as her partner. So, fourteen centuries ago, Islam made men and women equally accountable to God in glorifying and worshiping Him – setting no limits on her spiritual progress. In the Qur’an in the first verse of the chapter entitled “Women”, God says:

    “O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it its mate and from them both have spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom you claim (your rights) of one another, and towards the wombs (that bore you). Lo! Allah has been a Watcher over you.” (4:1)

    And again in the Qur’an:

    “O mankind! Verily we have created you from a single (pair) of a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other.” (49:13; cf.4:1)


    When we then consider the area of civil rights, education is of greatest importance. The Prophet (pbuh) said: “Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male and female).” Keeping people ignorant equals oppression; whether man or woman. In the case of women their civil rights were considered necessary for the proper functioning of the community.

    Recognizing her individuality, Islam grants a woman freedom of choice and _expression. We are encouraged to contribute opinions and ideas. Women would pose questions directly to the Prophet (sal) and to other Muslim leaders and offer their opinions concerning religion, economics, and social matters. (Qur’an 58:1-4; 60:10-12)

    Actually it was 1400 years ago that a right to vote was given to the woman. When the women came to Prophet Mohammad (sal) and swore their allegiance to him, he had to accept their oath. This established the right of women to publicly participate in the selection of their leader. Nor does Islam forbid a woman from holding important positions in government.

    Historical records show that women participated in early public life, accompanying Muslim armies into battle to nurse the wounded, prepare supplies, and serve the warriors, and so on. They were not shut behind iron bars or considered worthless creatures and deprived souls, as we see today in such deteriorating and misguided societies as Taliban Afghanistan. People kept ignorant of Islam’s true position on women due to age-old cultural practices begin to accept the misguidance as true. This is especially unfortunate in Afghanistan where so many women were professionals, contributing to the well being of their society, for many years prior to the Taliban. Not only does it poison the minds of the Afghani people toward Islam but also it focuses the rest of the world’s attention on an aberration that uses the name of Islam so wrongly.


    In terms of contributions to society the status of women economically is unique. From the earliest days greater financial security was assured for women. Women are entitled to receive marital gifts, and to keep properties and income for their own security. No married woman is required to spend a penny on the household. She is entitled to full financial support during marriage and during the waiting period (`iddah) in case of divorce. Whether she is a wife or mother, a sister or daughter, she is allowed to receive a certain share of deceased kin’s property, and no one can disinherit her.

    Although both man and woman are entitled to inherit property of relations, their portions may vary. In some instances the man receives 2 shares whereas the woman gets one only; this is because the man by law is solely responsible for the complete maintenance of his family. It is also his duty to contribute financially to all good causes in his society. The woman, in contrast, has no obligatory financial responsibilities. She is provided for, whether by her husband, son, father, brother, or other male relative. If she has no relation on whom she can depend, and she has no inheritance, then she is the responsibility of the society. She may be given aid or a job to earn her living, and whatsoever money she makes will be hers. So, in the hardest situation her financial responsibility is limited, while the man’s is unlimited.


    In further addressing rights, it is important to look at the role of the wife. The Qur’an states:

    “And among His signs is that He created for you mates from among
    yourselves that you may live in tranquility with them, and He had
    put love and mercy between you; Verily, in that are signs for people
    who reflect.”

    Marriage, therefore, is not just a physical or emotional necessity,
    but in fact, a sign from God! It is a relationship of mutual rights and obligations based on divine guidance. God created men and women with complimentary natures, and in the Qur’an, He laid out a system of laws to support harmonious interaction between the sexes.

    Allah says in the Qur’an:

    “They are your garments and you are their garments.” (2:187)

    Clothing provides physical protection and covers the beauty and faults of the body. A spouse is viewed similarly . Each protects the other, hides the faults and compliments the characteristics of the spouse. To foster the love and security that comes with marriage, Muslim wives have several rights: the first one is to receive ‘mahr’ from the husband, which is a gift as part of the marriage contract A wife has the right to kind treatment. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

    “The most perfect believers are the best in conduct. And the best of you are those who are best to their wives.”

    God tells us He created mates and put love, mercy, and tranquility between them. With rights come responsibilities. The Qur’an states:

    “the good women in the absence of their husbands guard their rights as Allah has enjoined upon them to be guarded.”

    A wife has to keep her husband’s secrets and protect their marital privacy. Issues of intimacy or faults of his that would dishonor him, are not to be shared by the wife, just as he is expected to guard her honor.


    The woman as mother is of special importance. This is something that most of us have been blessed with. Mothers, in Islam, are accorded a special place of honor.

    A man came to the Prophet Mohammad (sal) asking: `O Messenger of Allah, who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said, your mother. The man said then who is next: the Prophet said, your mother. The man asked again, then who is next: the Prophet said, your mother. The man asked further and only then did the Prophet say, your father. (Al Bukhari) Kindness to parents, especially to mothers, is a foundation stone in the structure of Islam.


    I would like to mention a few contemporary Muslim women who have and continue to contribute to today’s world.

    Queen Noor of Jordan Laleh Bakhtiar – author and scholar, psychologist

    Rabia Terry Harris – translator and writer

    Haja Noura Durkee: Author, lecturer, teacher

    Nahid Angha: Psychologist, founder International Assoc. Of Sufism

    Mouna Abul Fadl – Author. Scholar

    Leila Ahmed – Author and Scholar; first Muslim woman appointed to the faculty of Harvard Divinity School

    Audrey Shabbas – Educator, founder of Arab World and Islamic Resources (AWAIR)


    I would like to conclude by stating that 1400 years ago, the Muslim woman was given a role, duties, and rights that most women do not enjoy today, even in the west. Yet, the religion which revolutionized the status of women is being portrayed as repressive to women. As mentioned earlier, this myth is perpetuated by the media; in addition, in the case of the Taliban and other examples from my own country and elsewhere, women’s inherent Islamic rights
    have been abrogated.

    One issue surrounded by a great deal of misunderstanding is the custom of wearing hijab. The Qur’an enjoins modest dress for both men and women, and in a Muslim society, the men as well as the women typically dress conservatively. Some Muslim women interpret the Qur’an and Hadith as guiding them to dress modestly and cover their hair in all public situations, others insist that their whole body including hands and face are to be covered, yet others understand the guidance to mean a more general attitude of modesty both in dress and attitude. Many Muslim women freely choose to dress modestly in order to avoid the public scrutiny, judgments, and social dynamics associated with physical appearance. By dressing in ways that do not draw attention to ourselves, we affirm the Qur’anic teachings both of modesty and gender equality. Or as one Canadian Muslima, Naheed Mustafa has written: “…that men and women are equal, and that individuals should not be judged according to gender, beauty, wealth, or privilege”

    No scholarly or informed Muslim can condone women being forced to remove themselves from public life altogether, anymore than we can condone violence against women, the denial of women’s right to work and own property, or the refusal to allow women a voice in government. Where such treatment takes place in the Muslim world, people of other faiths ought to realize that there are in certain places and circumstances a significant disparity between beliefs and practices in Islam as well as their own faiths; and the simple fact that the actions of certain individuals who claim Islam do not truthfully or accurately represent Islam.

    Nor are Muslim women unique in their issues; Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, Sikh women in various parts of the world as well as certain sects of Judaism and
    Christianity share the same problems. To label the status of women in the Muslim world today as “Islamic” is as far from the truth as labeling the position of women in the West today as “totally liberated and equal”. Inshallah, with this understanding in mind, Muslims and non-Muslims – men and women- could start a process of communication and dialogue in order to remove misconceptions, suspicions, and fears. So as you can see there are many challenges for today’s Muslim woman whether in the westernized world or in traditional societies. Through internal and external dialogue I am confident we will find the ways to remain true to the Shariah and Sunnah and contribute to the world today.

    I am very grateful for this opportunity and I thank you for your patience. Please forgive me for any errors I may have made. Assalam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahe wa Barakatuh. May the Peace, Compassion and Mercy of Allah be with you.

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