SO I’M LEARNING (if slowly) that there’s absolutely nobody more smarter than an intertube atheist. Nobody, ever, anywheres.
In Christian circles, there’s such a thing as “preaching to the choir”. In web-infidel circles, the comment sections everywhere are a veritable Echo Chamber of very smug, self-satisfied clevers who have read Same Harris, watched Bill Nye and read some Hitchins and the infamous Dawkins, and don’t you dare try and take them on, lowly fool! Christers and other pathetic defenders of mindless superstition, beware!
Mind you, most of these ‘experts’ are mostly not deeply educated on anything except ‘Atheism/ Agnosticism’, and have no scope of history, philosophy, Biblical knowledge, or interpretation larger than a few books, and several dozen YouTube videos. It’s a puddle, not a lake– let alone an ocean’s depth of true wisdom and education and insight.
On The Intertoobs
This is sad-making, for Binks. As I noted a few posts ago, I like the YouTube channels of self-proclaimed atheists like Sargon Of Akkad— to which I’d add HoneyBadgerRadio, Thunderf00t, Karen Straughan, Vernaculis, Woolly Bumblebee, ShoeOnHead, johntheother, Feminism LOL, and others.
But there’s a dirty secret about most of these ‘open-minded’ characters which I’ll now reveal– despite the fact these cultural libertarian guys & gals are all great in their own ways for smiting the feminist, SJW, and Cry-Bully tribes (their alienated fellow Leftists), they are still very tribal themselves, and generally won’t engage in actual discussion– however friendly & reasonable– with religious believers.. especially the smart and friendly ones with an education.
Nothing. Nada. Silence. Can’t be having none of that. I’ve tried.
I mean, We All Know™ that all the Christians are all American-style fundamentalist Westboro Baptist bigotted science-hating anti-intellectual flat-earthing creationists, right? Morons. Nitwits. Stupids, with a retarded and childish set of beliefs, right? Derpy derp derp.
Enter YouTube Atheist Christer-basher CyaLatte (an Aussie), as a typical example of the tiresomely godless folks I’ve run into online almost constantly (think: very vocal ex-smoker). CyaLatte’s been in a sniping-war in the YouTube comments with myself on this video, together with some other addled glutton for punishment named Jeff Rosenbury.
Enjoy the following. My comment is last.
Fortunately the weight of scientific evidence currently favors some sort of godlike being. (This has varied through scientific discoveries, so perhaps humans aren’t always right?) The odds of the physical constants of the universe being in the narrow range to support life randomly (even using some sort of evolutionary, “we’re here” algorithm) are astronomically in favor of intelligent design. (Odds aren’t proof of course, but they are a good way to bet.)
Further the odds that the universe is so simple that humans are the ultimate in complex intelligence are slim. It’s just hubris to think we’re the smartest thing out there.
So presuming God exists, what does He want from us, and should we give it to Him? Is tolerance something nice?
If He is in contact, presumably He wants us to follow that religion thing. But perhaps not.
Give it some thought.
If I was the most generous moron in the world and granted there must be a god by simply looking at the creation, that still doesn’t differentiate the God itself. What evidence do you have that it was (what I am assuming you believe in, correct me if I’m wrong) the Judaeo-Christian God? It could have been Odin, Zeus, Allah, or Vishnu, there is no evidence to say which on it is, and that is all assuming that looking around is enough to prove anything, which it isn’t by any standard of logic and reason.
“Tolerance is not a scientific value. Science allows no forgiveness.”
Science is not an conscious entity, so obviously not. And since when are Gods tolerant, the Judaeo-Christian god especially? One minute he’s laying down the law saying “thou shall not murder”, and a chapter later he orders genocide. That is not tolerance, that is hypocrisy. In regards to forgiveness, why do you need forgiveness? Have you raped someone? Have you murdered someone? If you have you don’t deserve forgiveness and any god that forgives rape or murder doesn’t deserve worship.
“Science does not place value on human life.”
Maybe because human life ISN’T special. Have you not considered that? Are you wrapped up so much in your own ego that you think that humans are the most important thing in the Universe? If anything humans have done more harm than good. All life is just bunch of carbon, water and a series of chemical reactions. You know what’s more important than humans? Stars, if not for them there wouldn’t have been carbon in the first place.
“Therefore the logical conclusion is to kill everyone who is wrong.”
No that’s not a logical conclusion, that’s a retarded conclusion.
Fortunately the weight of scientific evidence currently favors some sort of godlike being. (This has varied through scientific discoveries, so perhaps humans aren’t always right?) The odds of the physical constants of the universe being in the narrow range to support life randomly (even using some sort of evolutionary, “we’re here” algorithm) are astronomically in favor of intelligent design. (Odds aren’t proof of course, but they are a good way to bet.)”
There is zero scientific evidence that supports any sort of god, let alone a god invented my humans. Again, even if I’m moronically generous and assume there is a god there is no way to determine which is correct. I challenge you to find one, just one piece of evidence that has gone through the scientific process and given irrefutable proof that a god exists. And if you can manage to do that then do the same thing to prove that your god is the correct god. Until then you have no case.
“Further the odds that the universe is so simple that humans are the ultimate in complex intelligence are slim. It’s just hubris to think we’re the smartest thing out there.”
Odds are not proof of anything. Using them as an argument without any evidence to support your claim damages your own credibility further.
“So presuming God exists, what does He want from us, and should we give it to Him? Is tolerance something nice?”
You’re so stupid I don’t know why I bother.
“If He is in contact, presumably He wants us to follow that religion thing. But perhaps not.
Give it some thought.”
I can think about it all I like, and unless I suffer a massive brain injury tomorrow, or until irrefutable proof is given and passes all scientific standards
Then, saith Teh Binks….
(3) Binks Webelf, 10:00 AM
It must be lovely to be able to call other people ‘stupid’, that their beliefs & conclusions are ‘retarded’ and childish’; to mock and dismiss most people ever, including a lot of scientists and philosophers and great people.
Of course, I’m not using the following names to ‘prove’ that God or divinity exists, just to line up the people you theoretically dismiss as stupid, retarded, and childish for their belief in God/ a divine being.
Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato.
Moses & Jesus.
St. Thomas Aquinas.
Sir Isaac Newton.
The following Noble Laureates in Science are also for your list of stupid people who had some kind of agnostic or actual faith in God (mostly Jewish & Christian)–
Also, this list of morons,
These derpy nitwits:
And this list of cretins:
So, CyaLatte– I guess along with that noted clueless doofus Jeff Rosenbury , I’ll more than happily stand on the side of the ancient pagan, Jewish, and Christian physicists, geneticists, mathematicians, philosophers, astronomers, inventors, botanists, architects, logicians, meteorologists, physicians, co-founders of the scientific method, chemists, minerologists, cartographers, mathematical physicists, and the rest of the ragbag of losers, retards, know-nothings, and stupids who don’t fit your remarkably narrow categories.
Seriously, CyaLatte– actual education is more than reading and regurgitating online the notions of the “New Atheists”, some few of whom as ‘noted scientists’ (Sam Harris? Nye? Dawkins?) are very dim lights indeed, compared to the full sweep of history, thought, and famous folks listed above.
Again, I’m not arguing from authority to prove or disprove anything– I’m just listing names which don’t fit your, well, dogmatic anti-religious bigotry. Reality is always a little more complicated and unsettling than we thought.
But, I’m just a stupid, with ‘retarded’ and childish’ beliefs.. just like all the people listed above.
Dear Diana Davison:
A very interesting article– I used to view Molyneux vids, until that whole bald-faced lying about his wife’s professional troubles thing a while back. Never heard of the new age guru-ette woman before, but have known of similar people & groups in the past. As a convert Christian, this all looks like (a) any messiah but the Real One, and (b) any ‘healing’ of our broken selves except the Eternal One.
Some atheist will then chime in with their faith-statement and say “But ALL religions are false!” but duck and dodge when it comes to examining the logical and evidential status of scientific materialism/ empiricism as a sufficient analysis of all things human and true and good. Of course, longing for a messiah doesn’t mean that there ever was or will be one, or that there is any actual healing for the brokenness, finity, imperfection, and infinite longings of human beings. That should be obvious.
As the Greek philosophers like Aristotle argued [Nicomachean Ethics], such desire may never be satisfied, but at least it indicates that our end (Gk. ‘telos’ =destiny, true fulfillment, goal, final end, completion) lies not in ourselves or any other finite thing, knowledge, or state of being. That’s why Aristotle ends up saying our human goal is to imitate God, the prime mover and the telos of all things, including human beings.
So– misled & misleading people like Swan, or Molyneux, or the New Atheists raise more questions for me than simply “why are they wrong or right?’, but also ‘how are they pointing to the truth, however imperfectly?’– this versus ‘Truth is known only in the empirical’, or ‘See how foolish and irrational these believers in messiahs and salvation are?”
You seem fair-minded, insightful, and reasonable in your approach. Please surprise me by reading and responding to my comment, the latter never happening on other atheist-tribe sites (Sargon, Thunderf00t, Vernaculis, etc.), even when I’m just elaborating on their point, or praising what they said.