~ YES, I CAN BE longwinded in these things, so today, a short one.
A sad realization I’ve had over the past few weeks– Oleg Atbashian (The People’s Cube) was a former Soviet propagandist, he’s also an author, essayist, satirist, and graphic artist. He came to America for freedom.
Like many former Soviet dissidents come to the West, his reception was mixed– now, he’s a positive threat to the new Sovietization of the West. The same happened to Jamie Glazov’s parents, at Marxist-deluded Dalhousie University in Halifax, NS, Canada. Don’t reveal the ugly truth of the Worker’s Utopia!
Now, under the politically correct, the corrupt establishment, politicized academia & media, we are going Soviet. Soft Soviet, with a smug smile and an iron fist. This devolution has been underway for almost a century, under many guises, and stages. Coercion of thought and behaviour is the ultimate goal.
Symptoms, just on Campus? Tribunals, trial by media & mob, the politics of personal destruction, radicalization of politics, thought-police, a quiet terror keeping people quiet & scared. Wrong-thinkers versus the Party Truth. Spying & tattling & surveillance. All must be sacrificed for the utopia.
We have become a Soviet-style prison, just waiting for the final bars & locks to be fitted. Ironic, no? Tragic, too.
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
A Gift To Us All
And patiently, year by year, Oleg & his amazingly insightful website has been warning us of the risks ahead, from his life under the Soviet nightmare. We should all be grateful, and aware of his work.
Go read his blog. Read his book “Shakedown Socialism“. Buy his merch. I’m not saying he’s always right in everything said & done and thought– but that his angle is unique, deeply insightful, and hard-won by bitter experience.
Heed his warnings. Tragically, he’s turned out to be right, so far.
[Warning, video is snarky and snide & ultimately unpleasant]
~ A REMINDER– Any given era is imperfect in some ways.. but remember: the civil rights movement was actually built in the late 40s and 50s, and expressed itself in the early 60s. The snark in this effort is typical, implying that we (looking back on a different era) are superior in every way and entitled to judge such losers as losers.
…the uncritical acceptance of the intellectual climate common to our own age and the assumption that whatever has gone out of date is on that account discredited.
Lewis lays out the error in this approach:
…You must find out why it went out of date.
Was it ever refuted (and if so by whom, where, and how conclusively) or did it merely die away as fashions do? If the latter, this tells us nothing about its truth or falsehood.
From seeing this, one passes to the realization that our own age is also ‘a period,’ and certainly has, like all periods, its own characteristic illusions. They are likeliest to lurk in those widespread assumptions which are so ingrained in the age that no one dares to attack or feels it necessary to defend them….
And, one day, people will look at our evils and blind spots and assumptions and comformities as be shocked and horrified and puzzled why on earth we couldn’t see or fight what was right in front of us the whole time. And, under God, we too shall be judged, as people, societies, and as a civilization.. or declining form thereof.
Smugger Than Thou!
It’s like the lazy moral busybodies who make themselves out as lonely heroes– if only they’d been around in Hitler’s Germany. As Jordan Peterson correctly points out, most people tend to thoughtless conformity (even in their non-conforming). Likewise, if you’re not bravely standing against the blind tide to your cost in today’s weird times, why would you be any different in some other era?
This is lame and highly political “comedy”– i.e., not an argument, but a smear and propaganda. Sadly, such modern ‘comedy’ or satire NEVER dares take on the SJWs, campus brown-shirts like AntiFa, or militant anti-democratic trans & gay movements, abortion & euthanasia, Soros-funded Black Lives Matters, Marxism, or supremacist Moslems. It’s why, as Seinfeld said a year or two ago, comedy shows are dying at campuses.
In most 2018 colleges, there’s nothing you’re allowed to even joke about. Except Trump, and right-wingers, and the Right, and right-wing extremists, and the alt-right, and…. you get the idea. Propaganda, all in one direction.
As Stefan Molyneaux quips:
“With regards to ‘Are the universities dead?’ No no no– that’s an insult to the dead, because the dead aren’t currently strangling the minds of the living.
The university has gone far beyond death. Dead is something– you can dig a hole and bury it, and put it out of your sight. The universities are like radioactive volcanoes, constantly releasing brain-destroying isotopes into the atmosphere.
They are active predators– they would be, I guess, close to What in ‘Dungeons & Dragons’ would be called The Undead. Which is: people who have died, but instead have come back to life and are preying upon the living.
Hence Beating This Dead Horse
This is so much immoral “moral” smuggery, and cultural Marxism, mocking suburbia and the ordinary folks for being insufficiently revolutionary & transgressive and clever. THOSE rubes.
You know, the contemptible people with lives to live, kids to raise, bills to pay, and taxes to fork over so that pampered profs can install the mental bubble-gum faux-wise critical theory Marxism, gender theory, race theory, queer theory, trans theory, and theory theory into their student-victims. Yup, all all the ‘theories’ except asking yourself how and why (or if) you know that such critical theory is true, good, wise-making, and livable.
So let’s keep on with the stale mockery of the 1950s (which began a mere 68 years ago, literally closer to 1901 than 2018)– and not ourselves. In reality, many of those 50’s fathers were late teens when they suffered to liberate Europe from actual Nazis, and wanted a stable and quick-start and education & family if they survived and came home.
Says me?– shut up Boomers and earlier 20th century radicals. Rehashing your old misunderstandings and hatreds does nobody today any real or lasting good. ~
–> Book Review: “An aspect of particular importance is his telling how young men who are both non-homosexual and who believe in traditional Catholicism are weeded out of the seminaries and barred from becoming priests. The new orthodoxy isn’t passive; instead, it actively screens out those who don’t fit its mold. The existence of this ostracism is perhaps the main thrust of his book.” [my emPHASis]
~ MOST PEOPLE IN THE PEWS, assuming the best, think seminaries and theology schools are holy centres for imparting piety, learning, wisdom, and Christ-like zeal to new clergy.
“Surely,” they suppose, “such places are little outposts of God’s Kingdom on earth, training up our ministers and priests into fine examples of preachers, teachers, pastors, and human beings.” You know, just like universities in 2017 are centres of learning, calm scholarship, and imparting the wisdom and skills of the ages to young and eager minds. Not unreasonable– but naive in 2017.
Because, The Asteroid.
The Truth-Shattering Kaboom
When the Awesome Utopian World Revolution™ was slow a-comin’ after the 1800s and the bloodthirsty Soviet revolt, Communists and Socialists decided to go after All The Things. Schools, and universities; governments; culture and media; business and Charitable Foundations; and especially all the churches. Afterwards, the outside would still appear the same– think all those hallowed & Ivy-clad towers of academe– but the inside would be radicalized beyond all recognition. The key was and is to keep the ordinary suckers mostly clueless, and still attending & paying for it all.
This group of fellow travellers were the Frankfurt School, and they taught the ideas and techniques for subversion. Imagine something which looks & sounds exactly like your dear Auntie Mabel, but she’s actually a pod person replacement.
For the churches, the same process that we see bearing fruit now in North American and European centres of higher learning– ignorance, violence, propaganda, safe-spaces, and a lock step progressive/ soft-Communist ideology which brooks no opposition, especially in the extremist professoriate. This same mutation has been ongoing since the early years of the last century. Those boys who died on the beaches of Normandy? Behind them, at home, the rot had begun to quietly settle into the very institutions and society they were fighting for Over There. A bittersweet thought.
Naming Names & Details
In his heart-breaking book Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church, Michael Rose details the 1990s American fruit of this process– how Catholic seminarians were and are bullied, brow-beaten, threatened, and charmed or coerced into hoop-jumping and ideological mutation– even homosexuality and heresy. If you are at all “rigid™” (believe the faith), or “sexually immature™” (same-sexuality, its militancy, and that many of your fellow students and some professors were barely in the closet), you’d be black-balled– not only from that school or diocese, but almost all of them.
Young vulnerable students have left such places of mis-education utterly broken, or having lost their faith, or become radicals; older experienced students come away aghast, stressed, and boggle-minded at the horrid politics and brutal abuse of the faith and lives of people offering themselves to the Church as potential clergy or priests. Faithful souls are being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness at such places year in and out.
A Lovely Outpost Of Hell
“Pish-posh!” you scoff, “Pish and posh! How bad can it be, really? Surely we must put our trust in such reputable and accredited places to help the church provide decent future leaders for itself.” Pish-posh?.. except, I’ve been there.
The Atlantic School of Theology sits on some muy pricey real estate waterside in Halifax’s wealthy South End. Ironically, some of the Leftist professors in my day lived in small mansions, and many students lived on campus, or in nearby apartments. Looks very spiffy & hallowed, eh? Local Anglicans, United, Catholics, and even Unitarians, go there.
True Story– I Was There
When I attended in 1987-88, one of my professors was a pro-wicca (sorry, “wymyns spirituality’) lesbian, who seemingly predated on some of her female students every year. Another was apparently an all-but-avowed Communist. Still another was openly homosexual (although the best educated and freshest prof there by far).
Another faculty member was a glorified BA, who most assumed was a Ph.D. The liturgy expert (always beware those) was a bitterish radicalized nun, who loved everything about Vatican II, nothing before, and made it clear that the slightest dissent (from The Dissent™) was not welcome. Yet another wonky Roman Catholic teacher told us during the Intro To Theology 101 class that the most important thing in reading in St. Augustine, was what we thought the saint meant. Uh?
Other faculty taught as unquestionable Gospel only the most radical of theories about the Bible, morality, social justice (Marxism), theology, and the like. Our textbooks were mostly in the same line– a critique of classical Christianity, without ever actually teaching what the content or practice and worship of that faith properly was…. Er, oops.
Such A Friendly Place
There was a remarkable amount of smiling and superficial bonhomie, hugs, and slightly creepy touching. Yet at every point, you were always under ‘pastoral’ surveillance for any ‘disaffirming’ (non-radical) opinions on theology, God, abortion, divorce, homosexual marriage, feminism, homosexuality, women clergy, the creeds, and political & social issues of the day. Warms the old cockles.
In fact, if you weren’t sporting a rictus (or smirking) and faux cheery-looking and accepting of everything & everyone at all times, that was suspect, too. Malcontent? Critical? Unpastoral? Grim? Judgmental? Not gruntled, or not with The ‘rich & challenging’ Program™?!?
Not only the professors and ‘academic supervisors’ were on the snoop, but your fellow students were also watching for non-non-conformity, or ‘nurturing community’. Snitching (or “sharing pastoral concerns about X” with the leadership), I suspect, was encouraged.
Step out of line, be non-affirming, rigid, sexually immature, judgmental, narrow-minded, or dare question a prof? BAM. You risked a low grade, a black mark in your permanent record, being shunned by your fellow students and the faculty, and a non-recommendation for ordination. A nice little ‘Christian’ Gulag Archipelago nestled right there on Halifax’s Northwest Arm.
Nurturing. Pastoral. Caring & sharing. Awwk. Even some of the more progressive students found the place rather a joke, and more than a little oppressive. TO be fair, not all of them were “true believers’ like most of the faculty was then.
Like Sheeps, No Shepherds
Sadly, many of my classmates were ‘second career’ mature candidates, with little or no university background, or relevant studies. Some were nice people, but barely able to write a term paper. Others were like innocent sheep before the sophistical and practiced academic brow-beating of their wolfish profs– academics who could and did at any moment crush hopes & futures with a bad review, or a word to your bishop or sponsoring group, or sneering and mocking of your ‘naive & pietistic’ faith in class.
Behold the ‘tolerant, affirming, open & flexible’ Revolution. It’s mind-warping and soul-crushing– and designed to be that way, precisely so you will imbibe and parrot the revolution and not The Christian Faith, then spread the infection to others. Or else.
Problem was, I came fresh to the place with a hot double BA in history and Philosophy/ Religious studies. 4.1 GPA. I’d been pushed for Ph.D work, but wanted to do parish work first, then a doctorate. “Narrow-minded and conservative, but warm and cuddly” was my motto for AST.
What Fresh Hell?…
The daily worship at that school was predictably freakish– almost weekly the furniture was moved about, and we might get an angry feminist liturgy one day (with confession prayers only for the males present); or else rainbow stoles & vestments; a pro-Sandinista/ Liberation Theology homily the next; some women galumphing liturgical dance in polyester and chiffon the week after, and then maybe Gaia-Mother Earth and native prayers scheduled for next time.
All this with a progressive/ Marxist post-Christian slant, all done very self-consciously and badly, even if robed or clothed in old-sounding forms. Missing out, or non-enthusiasm (eek!), or non-participation (GASP!) was duly noted.
For my own class of first-years, I ended up as unofficial spokesman, despite my odd-man out status. When I announced I was leaving that school for another, several of the feminists– much to my shock– were openly upset (this, in the class poorly co-taught by The Feminist & The Communist.. one day, we even did colouring with crayons). As we discussed my leaving, a young woman classmate broke into tears, and actually said to me “But who will protect us from the professors, and ask all the right questions?”
PROTECT. They knew. What a sad commentary, that. I almost stayed. However, after those same profs tried (and failed) to give me a rotten mark, I knew the fix would be in if I remained there.
Spiritual Mass Murder
Why is the church shrinking, and why are so many clergy so weird? How did we get here?
This spiritual holocaust of the future leadership of the Church has been going on now since I was born… that’s two or two-and-a-half generations of mistreatment, mutation, abuse, radicalization, mis-education of the very people who are supposed to set forth the Gospel to the Church and world, lead on moral, social and theological questions, and save souls unto heaven. Instead, we have hard-progressive or squishy or compromised and shallow clergy, many of whom may mean well, but who don’t have the education or spiritual resources people think they do, and that they should have.
The Canadian & U.S. (and U.K.– Google ‘Maynooth Scandal’) Roman Church clergy formation system has it very bad, but most of the protestant schools are close behind them. It is a horror story, a tale of abuse of trust, fraud, authority, rank heresy, and cruelty.. and a cynical exploitation of the innocent students and financial supporters of such places.
But Wait, There’s Moar!
So what? Here’s what.
(1) Don’t EVER assume your clergy have had a proper education, spiritual formation, or that their cleverness in the pulpit is worth listening to. Test the spirits. Seek out the good ones, and help, pray for, and support them.
(2) If you or someone you know or care for are thinking about going into the clergy, warn him to do lots of deep research, interviews, and fact-checking about the places they are considering. Some are outposts of heaven, most are sinks of hell, or wastes of time.
(3) The “clergy selection processes” in many parts of the church are geared against non-radicals, and are as impartial and fair-minded and godly as an ecclesiastical Gestapo. The gatekeepers are meant to weed out the “difficult”, and pass through the malleable, the naive, the well-meaning, the clueless, or the people who can conceal their real selves and just go through the motions.
(4) If you or any wealthy person you know thinks piling money, bequests, and donations into such corrupted places of clergy malformation is a great and pious work, think again. Starve these progressive outposts of post-Christianity of cash, and do your research properly. Don’t unwittingly aid and abet these outposts of darkness because the people seem nice, and it’s a fancy old building, and the profs talk all holy on founder’s day.
(5) If you’re stuck at such a place, keep your head down, keep in touch with allies outside the place who can vouch & fight for you when the hammer comes down, and do your own course of studies in all the major areas, with the best authors, so you’ve actually learned something in your time. Be friendly and happy.. the predatorial system has broken better far people than you, and spit them out like ground-up bones. Pray, pray, pray without ceasing, for yourself, your fellow students, and your professors. Prayers of light exorcism may also help. You will be scarred, hurt, and mistreated.
Finally, In Conclusions
This abuse-scandal has been largely hidden for 50 years and more, and books like that of Michael Rose– though dated now– lift the rug on the creepy-crawlies, filth and dirty secrets of the radicalized Church, which has captured many ecclesiastical institutions, yet pretended to be the same as before.
And no, DON’T go to the Atlantic School of Theology in Halifax, Nova Scotia, for any reason whatsoever. Don’t give to it, or support it. Very pretty landscape, though. ~
~ OH DEAR.. A ‘Back In My Day’ post from a 1/2 centarian.
Ah, the olden days! Our songs, our dreams and goals, our minds were pondering life & jobs, but usually with dating, fabulously-haired boyfriend-girlfriend, and marriage as the goal. How different from the West in 2017.
The sexual revolution, broken homes, & feminism & biased divorce law & constant texting– all have made it clear to many younger men that hook-ups are barely worth it; relationships very risky, and marriage a non-starter. Many of these kids come from what we used to call broken homes, now.. uh ‘blended families’ or some such euphemistic lie.
Of my younger son and his immediate circle of 10 friends (18-24), only 1 has a current (short term) girlfriend. Others haven’t even been dating for AGES.. all their female friends or co-workers are just that, minus a hook-up here and there. Not with a bang or a whimper– just a “Meh?”
And their wider generation is very much the same… don’t dismiss this, for the family/ marriage/ kids Titanic is long past the iceberg moment.And babies? You’ll have to import people to have them…. you know, like the Khadrs. Or the welfare-people born in another land.
For a post-feminist Christian take on all this, try Dalrock.
~ OK, SO I HAVE seen the web-commercials for #Canada150, (official website) but apparently I’m mostly not invited. I saw every skin-colour/ race/ gender identity under the radar, 90% women, and a few white guys tagged on here and there. SMH.
I’ve had pre-Loyalist relatives here in Canada since the 1760s on one side, and as post-war newcomers (1955) from Scotland on the other. But.. just not Canadian enough. The men and women who built and suffered and sweat and spent to built this land into what it is all deserve our gratitude: and some of them were mine.
A Wee Bragging
All of my great uncles on one side served in WW2; another great uncle died serving his country in WW2 my Dad did 4 years airforce reserve, my brother 6 years artillery reserves, I helped organize part of the Legion VE 50 Day celebration for the Nova Scotia, and got to know & help many vets during my work… but, not Canadian enough?
This smug neo-Canada, this blood-soaked lying killing canting minoritarian crap-festival of political correctness and deception is not what I want to celebrate. Take your bullshyte Muslim socks and ghey parade pandering & stuff them, Mr. sub-Prime Minister. #NotMyCanada, this post-’68 zombie of newfangledness, Christian-baiting, Muslim violence & no-go zones, and identitarian politics up the wazoo.
All Canadians. All glad for God’s blessings on us. Together. One nation under heaven, from Sea To Sea To Sea, see? ~
O GOD, who providest for thy people by thy power, and rulest over them in love: Vouchsafe so to bless thy servant our Queen, and her Government in this Dominion of Canada, that thy people may dwell in peace and safety, and thy Church serve thee in all godly quietness; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, world without end. Amen.”
SO I’M LEARNING (if slowly) that there’s absolutely nobody more smarter than an intertube atheist. Nobody, ever, anywheres.
In Christian circles, there’s such a thing as “preaching to the choir”. In web-infidel circles, the comment sections everywhere are a veritable Echo Chamber of very smug, self-satisfied clevers who have read Same Harris, watched Bill Nye and read some Hitchins and the infamous Dawkins, and don’t you dare try and take them on, lowly fool! Christers and other pathetic defenders of mindless superstition, beware!
Mind you, most of these ‘experts’ are mostly not deeply educated on anything except ‘Atheism/ Agnosticism’, and have no scope of history, philosophy, Biblical knowledge, or interpretation larger than a few books, and several dozen YouTube videos. It’s a puddle, not a lake– let alone an ocean’s depth of true wisdom and education and insight.
On The Intertoobs
This is sad-making, for Binks. As I noted a few posts ago, I like the YouTube channels of self-proclaimed atheists like Sargon Of Akkad— to which I’d add HoneyBadgerRadio, Thunderf00t, Karen Straughan, Vernaculis, Woolly Bumblebee, ShoeOnHead, johntheother, Feminism LOL, and others.
But there’s a dirty secret about most of these ‘open-minded’ characters which I’ll now reveal– despite the fact these cultural libertarian guys & gals are all great in their own ways for smiting the feminist, SJW, and Cry-Bully tribes (their alienated fellow Leftists), they are still very tribal themselves, and generally won’t engage in actual discussion– however friendly & reasonable– with religious believers.. especially the smart and friendly ones with an education.
Nothing. Nada. Silence. Can’t be having none of that. I’ve tried.
I mean, We All Know™ that all the Christians are all American-style fundamentalist Westboro Baptist bigotted science-hating anti-intellectual flat-earthing creationists, right? Morons. Nitwits. Stupids, with a retarded and childish set of beliefs, right? Derpy derp derp.
Enter YouTube Atheist Christer-basher CyaLatte (an Aussie), as a typical example of the tiresomely godless folks I’ve run into online almost constantly (think: very vocal ex-smoker). CyaLatte’s been in a sniping-war in the YouTube comments with myself on this video, together with some other addled glutton for punishment named Jeff Rosenbury.
How do we tell which god is God? Well you might look at His creation and make some deductions using — science perhaps?Tolerance is not a scientific value. Science allows no forgiveness. There is no excuse for a wrong answer. Science does not place value on human life. Therefore the logical conclusion is to kill everyone who is wrong. (i.e. doesn’t agree with you, or perhaps has a low IQ, or whatever other criteria you scientifically conclude.)
Fortunately the weight of scientific evidence currently favors some sort of godlike being. (This has varied through scientific discoveries, so perhaps humans aren’t always right?) The odds of the physical constants of the universe being in the narrow range to support life randomly (even using some sort of evolutionary, “we’re here” algorithm) are astronomically in favor of intelligent design. (Odds aren’t proof of course, but they are a good way to bet.)
Further the odds that the universe is so simple that humans are the ultimate in complex intelligence are slim. It’s just hubris to think we’re the smartest thing out there.
So presuming God exists, what does He want from us, and should we give it to Him? Is tolerance something nice?
If He is in contact, presumably He wants us to follow that religion thing. But perhaps not.
“How do we tell which god is God? Well you might look at His creation and make some deductions using — science perhaps?”
Mate, that literately explains nothing. The “look around you” argument is null and void. It’s stupid, and you’re stupid for using it. Looking around, that’s what you chose to open with? Honestly this is so ridiculous I spat out my food in laughter when I read it.
If I was the most generous moron in the world and granted there must be a god by simply looking at the creation, that still doesn’t differentiate the God itself. What evidence do you have that it was (what I am assuming you believe in, correct me if I’m wrong) the Judaeo-Christian God? It could have been Odin, Zeus, Allah, or Vishnu, there is no evidence to say which on it is, and that is all assuming that looking around is enough to prove anything, which it isn’t by any standard of logic and reason.
“Tolerance is not a scientific value. Science allows no forgiveness.”
Science is not an conscious entity, so obviously not. And since when are Gods tolerant, the Judaeo-Christian god especially? One minute he’s laying down the law saying “thou shall not murder”, and a chapter later he orders genocide. That is not tolerance, that is hypocrisy. In regards to forgiveness, why do you need forgiveness? Have you raped someone? Have you murdered someone? If you have you don’t deserve forgiveness and any god that forgives rape or murder doesn’t deserve worship.
“Science does not place value on human life.”
Maybe because human life ISN’T special. Have you not considered that? Are you wrapped up so much in your own ego that you think that humans are the most important thing in the Universe? If anything humans have done more harm than good. All life is just bunch of carbon, water and a series of chemical reactions. You know what’s more important than humans? Stars, if not for them there wouldn’t have been carbon in the first place.
“Therefore the logical conclusion is to kill everyone who is wrong.”
No that’s not a logical conclusion, that’s a retarded conclusion.
Fortunately the weight of scientific evidence currently favors some sort of godlike being. (This has varied through scientific discoveries, so perhaps humans aren’t always right?) The odds of the physical constants of the universe being in the narrow range to support life randomly (even using some sort of evolutionary, “we’re here” algorithm) are astronomically in favor of intelligent design. (Odds aren’t proof of course, but they are a good way to bet.)”
There is zero scientific evidence that supports any sort of god, let alone a god invented my humans. Again, even if I’m moronically generous and assume there is a god there is no way to determine which is correct. I challenge you to find one, just one piece of evidence that has gone through the scientific process and given irrefutable proof that a god exists. And if you can manage to do that then do the same thing to prove that your god is the correct god. Until then you have no case.
“Further the odds that the universe is so simple that humans are the ultimate in complex intelligence are slim. It’s just hubris to think we’re the smartest thing out there.”
Odds are not proof of anything. Using them as an argument without any evidence to support your claim damages your own credibility further.
“So presuming God exists, what does He want from us, and should we give it to Him? Is tolerance something nice?”
You’re so stupid I don’t know why I bother.
“If He is in contact, presumably He wants us to follow that religion thing. But perhaps not.
Give it some thought.”
I can think about it all I like, and unless I suffer a massive brain injury tomorrow, or until irrefutable proof is given and passes all scientific standards
It must be lovely to be able to call other people ‘stupid’, that their beliefs & conclusions are ‘retarded’ and childish’; to mock and dismiss most people ever, including a lot of scientists and philosophers and great people.
Of course, I’m not using the following names to ‘prove’ that God or divinity exists, just to line up the people you theoretically dismiss as stupid, retarded, and childish for their belief in God/ a divine being.
Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato. Einstein. Moses & Jesus. St. Thomas Aquinas. Galileo. Leonardo. Sir Isaac Newton. Nicholas Copernicus.
The following Noble Laureates in Science are also for your list of stupid people who had some kind of agnostic or actual faith in God (mostly Jewish & Christian)–
So, CyaLatte– I guess along with that noted clueless doofus Jeff Rosenbury , I’ll more than happily stand on the side of the ancient pagan, Jewish, and Christian physicists, geneticists, mathematicians, philosophers, astronomers, inventors, botanists, architects, logicians, meteorologists, physicians, co-founders of the scientific method, chemists, minerologists, cartographers, mathematical physicists, and the rest of the ragbag of losers, retards, know-nothings, and stupids who don’t fit your remarkably narrow categories.
Seriously, CyaLatte– actual education is more than reading and regurgitating online the notions of the “New Atheists”, some few of whom as ‘noted scientists’ (Sam Harris? Nye? Dawkins?) are very dim lights indeed, compared to the full sweep of history, thought, and famous folks listed above.
Again, I’m not arguing from authority to prove or disprove anything– I’m just listing names which don’t fit your, well, dogmatic anti-religious bigotry. Reality is always a little more complicated and unsettling than we thought.
But, I’m just a stupid, with ‘retarded’ and childish’ beliefs.. just like all the people listed above.
A very interesting article– I used to view Molyneux vids, until that whole bald-faced lying about his wife’s professional troubles thing a while back. Never heard of the new age guru-ette woman before, but have known of similar people & groups in the past. As a convert Christian, this all looks like (a) any messiah but the Real One, and (b) any ‘healing’ of our broken selves except the Eternal One.
Some atheist will then chime in with their faith-statement and say “But ALL religions are false!” but duck and dodge when it comes to examining the logical and evidential status of scientific materialism/ empiricism as a sufficient analysis of all things human and true and good. Of course, longing for a messiah doesn’t mean that there ever was or will be one, or that there is any actual healing for the brokenness, finity, imperfection, and infinite longings of human beings. That should be obvious.
As the Greek philosophers like Aristotle argued [Nicomachean Ethics], such desire may never be satisfied, but at least it indicates that our end (Gk. ‘telos’ =destiny, true fulfillment, goal, final end, completion) lies not in ourselves or any other finite thing, knowledge, or state of being. That’s why Aristotle ends up saying our human goal is to imitate God, the prime mover and the telos of all things, including human beings.
So– misled & misleading people like Swan, or Molyneux, or the New Atheists raise more questions for me than simply “why are they wrong or right?’, but also ‘how are they pointing to the truth, however imperfectly?’– this versus ‘Truth is known only in the empirical’, or ‘See how foolish and irrational these believers in messiahs and salvation are?”
You seem fair-minded, insightful, and reasonable in your approach. Please surprise me by reading and responding to my comment, the latter never happening on other atheist-tribe sites (Sargon, Thunderf00t, Vernaculis, etc.), even when I’m just elaborating on their point, or praising what they said.
THE IDIOTIC idea that all must believe all reports of racist, sexist, homophobic, or other alleged attacks is a popular idiotic idea: all must “Listen And Believe!“
Why? Because like empty social media ‘celebrity’, potentially valuable victimhood can win you all the goodies, sympathy, attention, weepy protesters, and minions listening to you and believing you. Except, there’s a lot of attention-seeking liars out there, constantly crying wolf, and inventing hate-crimes for the media and permanently aggrieved to feeding-frenzy all over.
(1) Prove it. Evidence. Law. Witnesses. Investigation. The Feminist dirty-word ‘Facts’. Believe nothing legal until it is legally certain, however likely the guilt may be, or how unlikeable the alleged perp happens to be. Because digital lynch mobs can still ruin innocent lives, reputations, and put men in jail for years and years.
(2) Supposed perps? The law says: “Innocent until proven guilty”, not guilty until proven guilty, because someone belongs to some “guilty” group (men, males, heterosexuals, Christians, white men and women, non-poor people, conservatives, anyone who dares disagree with Victim Glorifying, and SJWism).
(3) That SJWs can’t and won’t police their own folks from alleging all sorts of death-threats, bomb-threats, and over-inflating online criticism into unbearable ‘hatred and harassment’ ( COUGHZoe, AnitaCOUGH )? Fact-lite, and useful fear-mongering heavy.
The cry of the Great Speckled Victim? “Help. Help. I’m being oppressed. Save me by dropping much moneys into my Patreon or Kickstarter, before They Get Me.” Cha-Chings.
Och Aye, The Noo
YouTuber 6oodfella has a great (if Scots & salty) video up on the whole matter, plus a heap of intertube links to false reports over the past few years. He tells it like it is, IMHO.
The irony? Crying wolf doesn’t mean there aren’t wolves, and that some people aren’t attacked for various reasons– it does mean that innocent victims might not be believed, and wolves may well get away with attacks. That would be precisely because of all the phony, self-seeking, and ‘consciousness-raising’ fakery, useful lies, and propagandistic noise from SJWs, feminists, militant homosexuals, disturbed individuals, and members of other privileged ‘victim’ groups.
#IBELIEVE? Well, that would be because you dislike or don’t understand either the principles of justice, or the purpose of law-courts, then. Shame on you for wanting possibly unprincipled, unjust, and wrong-headed vigilantism enforced by the state. ~